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Date: 5/25/2004 1:29:00 AM ( Admin )
I say, too many of our youth have died, let's not show up for another war. |
Date: 5/25/2004 3:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
Personally, I do not like the draft. I believe Compulsary Service for all once they reach 18 would be better. As for the author's final comment, I have always believed that those who are unwilling to serve their country do not deserve the freedoms this country offers. Of course, I am a veteran.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 3:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 22852
Mmmmm very interesting indeed. I will have to check out the sites on this and see. My husband {who was drafted during Vietnam} and my son {active duty now} have both told me this would happen and I pray it does not. I for one do not want someone who is there against his will backing my son up or anyones family member for that matter. I say join on your own or leave them alone.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 3:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 61977
I think all Americans should serve their country, if able. Drafting by a luck or lack thereof by a draw of a number is like playing the lottery. I am saying this as a former veteran who served in our country for 7 years. HUGS & BLESSINGS, (Mother Love) NOT>>>>>>>>>>>  |
Date: 5/25/2004 5:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 47218
I say that a draft indicates that we are going to be spending too much darn money on defense. This should not be necessary during peacetime. period.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 5:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
This is not true..  |
Date: 5/25/2004 5:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
you know.. there are people who emotionally can't handle being in the army... this is sending people who can't handle the training alone out into service just to get killed.. it makes no sense to me.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 5:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 20581
I really hope that it DOESNT happen.... While right now it wont affect my kids as they are too young it may someday and i couldnt stand it.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 5:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 62675
I hope this doesn't go into affect!! Personally I don't think they would take me because I am all my son has but who knows. This is not right and I don't beleive they should draft women. I am all for helping out here with anything I can but I don't think I could handle actual combat. But then again once a month I can get pretty mean and nasty! lol -Sunni818  |
Date: 5/25/2004 6:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 19382
Why not draft women? Want to be equal or not? Don't want to be able to be drafted, then get back in the kitchen and make me some pie. To be honest I do not think the draft is a good idea in the least. Man or Woman. People will not accept it. I hope the American prisons have plenty of room.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 7:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 62624
"Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system," who's to say that Bush is going to win the election? What is going to happen to the draft if he looses?  |
Date: 5/25/2004 7:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
I agree with Two Spirit, alot of European countries have compulsory military service, maybe instead of a draft they should have that. As soon as you finish Grade 12, its off to the army for 2 years. As for the last comment about the author never being involved in military service be thankful you have brave people who don't say that and actually serve.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 8:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 62681
Here's the thing, though: I serve my country by paying an ung-dly amount of taxes. I serve my country by voting. I serve my country by serving on juries. My country cannot demand that I serve my country by sacrificing my life. -- The Wandering Jew  |
Date: 5/25/2004 8:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 11097
I have a quick question which may seem silly but I thought it was interesting.... President Bush claimed we would be out of Iraq by the end of June.... why would the draft need to be brought back? If anyone can shed some light on this I would appreciate it   |
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Date: 5/25/2004 8:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
The WJ, I see what you are saying about serving your country but everything that you say you are doing to serve your country is what a military person does. It is a basic part of living in your country that you pay taxes, serve jury duty, and voting. It doesn't make sense that you think by doing these things you are serving your country, you aren't you are serving your own needs to remain in the country. |
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Date: 5/25/2004 8:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 62681
But isn't that what the military guys are doing? Or more specifically -- when a man is confronting an "enemy" in the trenches (or wherever it is a man confronts the "enemy" in war), his first thought isn't survival of the city/state that he's supposedly defending; it's survival of himself. It's all self-serving, ultimately. I don't think my contributions to society are any less than any other person's. -- The Wandering Jew |
Date: 5/25/2004 9:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 10030
There are other ways to serve our country. Let us build homes, clean the environment, volunteer at abuse-centers. A friend wrote of these bills in her journal. She spoke with our Government teacher, who had mentioned this during our class two semesters ago: http://www.opendiary.com/entryview.asp?authorcode=A538664&entry=10830&mode=  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 9:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
I never said they were less, although technically they are. Do you put your life on the line for your rights and freedoms as an American? Do you give your life over to the service of your country or are you doing the least amount that you can to still be able to live free in the states? I think that compulsory service would instill more respect for the military and the trials that they go through. Until you walk a mile in their shoes you can speculate and guess all you like but you don't really know what they are giving up for your freedoms. |
Date: 5/25/2004 9:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
I find it interesting so many people are against the draft...guess ya all just want others to pull the weight for you. Mandatory military service wouldn't hurt certain young people as far as I'm concerned....but I don't see a draft happening unless we get into it with North Korea. Here's part of an article I found..believe it or believe what you get in some obscure website...An Internet-driven rumor mill about the possible return of a military draft is forcing Pentagon officials to step up denials that such plans are in the works. Thursday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he didn't know of anyone in the executive branch who believes it would be necessary to reinstitute the draft. ``We have been very successful in recruiting and retaining the people we need,'' Rumsfeld told the Newspaper Association of America's annual convention in Washington, D.C. ``There were a lot of difficulties with the draft, as people may recall.''
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Date: 5/25/2004 9:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 52489
Isn't it interesting that the draft is being revived during the administration of a president who used the National Guard to avoid serving in Vietnam? Isn't it also interesting that this same president was completely oblivious to the divisiveness of America due to an upopular, has started an equally unpopular war? Now, with with an active draft, we will find ourselves right back where we were in 1968! Who out there is ready to be a hippie, like their grandparents?  |
Date: 5/25/2004 9:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
I believe that all citizens upon reaching the age of 18 should have two years of Compulsary Service to the country. With that kind of available labour you could accomplish so many wonderful things for the country. There would have to be many different venues so all could serve. I also think that people would have a greater appreciation for their country if they had to serve in some capacity for two years.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 9:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
In my profession ( though I'm still in college, I still work in the field a good deal ), we provide alternative ( intrinsic ) based services for individuals with cognitive disorders, individuals with disabilities, and adolescents who are ' at-risk '. I serve my country from the inside, since our Administration has never been able to do. I haven't worked my rear off for six years of college just to earn my degree, then lose two years of my life ( which have already been planned out to establish myself in the field ), or possibly my life itself, for a war I didn't ask for. Someone wants to invade the United States? I'll be the first one in line to defend our freedom. But to everyone who's screaming about ' freedom isn't free '....you're right, it's not, but it's not our freedom they're over they're fighting for. I'll gladly die for something I believe in.....but I don't believe in this war.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 10:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
We're not at war! I agree with The Jay in that I would fight for my country in or out of a uniform if it was being invaded. I don't believe in getting killed to free Iraqis or any other middle eastern country that I have no kinship with. I think Canada would be worth fighting for. I have no objection to serving in the army, but I wouldn't want them to force me to abuse people.  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 10:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
Jay, you are already established in your chosen field we are saying conscription for people just finishing gr 12. Do you honestly think that if everyone had to serve those two years you would be any further behind in your chosen field? |
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Date: 5/25/2004 10:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
Does the article not state that being in college does not keep one from being drafted? I go to school and work in MS, yet I will move to Utah for my internship and settle there. YES, those two years would, for many people. |
Date: 5/25/2004 10:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 18527
All I know is, I want to be fighting alongside people who wanted to go and knew what they were getting into, not someone who was dragged in kicking and screaming.  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 10:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 47218
magoo, I think it is sheer folly to put that much manpower into the military during peacetime. I don't think compulsory service is a bad idea, but there are other areas of our country that need attention. And I don't think it's fair to diminish the significance of people's work just because they aren't on the front line risking their lives. Many military jobs don't involve an immediate risk. Also, many civilian type volunteer jobs do involve some risk (such as the branch of volunteer corps which sends people out in the summer to fight fires). In either case, there is always some level of sacrifice-- you could be working a private job making more money, many volunteer jobs pay nothing or a stipend that hardly covers living expenses, and then you must work long hours in return. A sacrifice is a sacrifice. |
Date: 5/25/2004 10:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
Universal National Service Act of 2003 S 89 IS To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. Hollings, Ernest R-SC...In the Senate Hollings is the only sponsor, there are no co sponsors and the bill was referred to the Committee on Armed Services and hasn't even been reviewed again since Jan. 2003. These bills have nothing to do with Iraq and even if the war ends they'll still push for two year compulsory service, so if you don't like it, write your congressmen.  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 10:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. Bill # H.R.163 Sponsers/Cosponsers Abercrombie, Neil D-HI... Brown, Corrine D-FL... Christensen, Donna D-VI... Clay, Wm. Lacy D-MO Conyers, John D-MI... Cummings, Elijah D-MD... Hastings, Alcee D-FL... Jackson Lee, Sheila D-TX... Lewis, John D-GA... McDermott, Jim D-VA... Norton, Eleanor Holmes D-DC... Rangel, Charles D-NY... Stark, Fortney D-CA... Velazques, Nydia D-NY |
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Date: 5/25/2004 10:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
I agree that a service is a service but instead of relying on volunteers you could be utilizing the young people of the military. |
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Date: 5/25/2004 11:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 47218
Base is right, this isn't just an internet rumor: http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=14325&repository=0001_article |
Date: 5/25/2004 11:18:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
"As for the last comment about the author never being involved in military service be thankful you have brave people who don't say that and actually serve" Are you saying im not brave? because you have no idea who i am or what im about. I dont oppose war because im not Brave. Thats the most asinine thing said out of the 30 replies. I oppose war becaue I oppose the american presidential administration and their decisions. I believe they manufacture events so to better control the american people. and for the most part its worked. raise your antannae flags please. I will not go to a war and kill for reasons that are not mine or ours for that matter. I dont believe in revenge. I dont believe in killing. I do believe in research and proper analyzation of the facts. I believe in exposeing big corporate scandals. I think america needs work inside her boarders and would be glad to sign up for a draft that would build buildings, teach children, clean rural areas and the like as someone previously suggested. For you to say that im not brave or that i do not deserve freedom for not wanting to go and kill someone i feel to be as equal as you and me is ridiculous. I was born here like most of you and im here to stay. Adjust or keep preaching until the groups band together and you try and run us out. then we can have our war and ill let you kill me. war is wrong.  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 11:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
Where do you get the idea that the military is all about killing people and war. Its not, do you not realise that the military also helps on all national disasters and natural disasters? The military is about a h*ll of a lot more than killing. For you to be naive enough to even say that shows that my comment was not irrelevant. You are admitting that you would rather run than serve your country honourably. You have that right and you should be happy with your choices, it takes a special kind of person to dedicate their life to serving their country not just taking all they can and running when it doesn't go their way. |
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Date: 5/25/2004 11:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
where do you get the idea that i think the military is all about killing? My point was war is wrong. so i concentrated on that subject. obvioulsy our opinions differ because i do not believe serving in a war is honorable. Did you not see the sentence i wrote about signing up for the draft if it was dedicated to national issues?. and i dont believe im taking all i can. no not nearly. Theres no way i will go to prison willingly when i oppose war. |
Date: 5/25/2004 11:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 22992
Im sick of the young going to war, i dread turning 18..   |
Date: 5/25/2004 12:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 28989
I agree with Holliberry. If there is going to be a draft or compulsory service, then there should be a choice between serving in the military or cleaning up the environment and doing public works, etc.. Some of us don't have it in us to ever wield a weapon to kill other people or support that. I'm one of them. It would destroy me psychologically. It goes completely against my beliefs and against my nature. But I'm more than happy to serve my country in other ways. I'm too old to be drafted anyway, so I'm speaking for other people. (I'm not against the military for defense and emergency purposes, just against this whole "pre-emptive" invasion idea). I don't support a draft that supports this war.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 1:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 62367
As a liberal, I find it very odd to say the least to say that I favor the reinstatement of the draft. I wish the current legislation allowed for some other form of alternative service for those unsuited to the military and conscientious objectors. From what I have heard they do not. My reason for backing the draft is not the standard one of increasing troop strength. My reason is that the military needs a far wider variety of people that it is getting. The military and in particular the officer corps has become very very conservative with a fair amount of contempt for the civilian world. This trend is spreading downward into the enlisted ranks. It started with the end of the draft and the start of the volunteer military. It is not that the military deliberately screens political leanings but the fact that people with conservative leanings are more likely to serve their country in this way. I was the exception to this rule. I read articles on this subject starting in the 1980’s. The military needs to reflect the general population of this nation to avoid trouble such as military coups down the road. I know this sounds alarmist but please give it some thought.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 1:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 43807
and what about disabilties are they going to ignore that to?  |
Date: 5/25/2004 1:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
this is true. Six months ago I went to a government web site where they were hiring people to work for the Government, at the draft boards. (They were also looking for local volunteers.) This is a nightmare. This would make Vietnam look like childs play. Please, no more of our children dying for wars started by politicians. I fear for our children now....  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 1:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 62367
Donuts, you have to pass a physical in order to serve in the military. The physically disabled would be disqualified. People with strong moral or religious objections should have the option of becoming conscientious objectors. I also worry about people that are simply not suited to military service. There are people who do not have moral objections to the military but because of their own behavior or character or mental stability should never serve in the military. |
Date: 5/25/2004 1:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 48250
How Convient that Those like Bill Clinton didn't need to worry about the Border Declaration, While they Skipped to Canada...I Agree fully with Admin and Two Spirit...T/C  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 48250
LOL Ship Pagan Make That Cherry Or BlackBerry Cobbler!! T/C.... |
Date: 5/25/2004 1:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 55009
i won't fight in a war that shouldn't have happened or a war i dont' believe in, we aren't fighting for our safety or freedoms; we should do our yardwork before we do the neighbors. The draft will only cause trouble and pain. if i have to become a CO (Conscientious Objector) then so be it. i am not saying that those that are still in the battle field or those who were are wrong, i commend them for being as couragous as they were; but my place isn't on a battle field of that sort... not where if i run out of ammo it will be game over or where we totally obliterate our opponents. any war worth having should be one fought on equal ground not on a tilted field. i also think that if Kerry gets into office he won't do the draft after his first hand witnessing of what it does. in a way iraq and this whole war on terror is our second vietnam, we don't know who our friends or are foes are. i guess we didn't learn out lesson last time.  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 2:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 55009
and Two-Spirit i agree with everything you say but why should be we willing to go and kill people just because out government says to. without a military we would be nothing that i know, but to send out youth into a war that they don't understand is kind of anti-freedom in its own way, they dont' have the freedoms to say why is this going on and get an answer worth something more than "to keep us safe"... we are fighting in their country not ours. |
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Date: 5/25/2004 2:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 43807
joshie, we learned our lesson bush didnt he ran away. |
Date: 5/25/2004 3:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 38406
Oh man, I hate hearing that 18 year olds have to be drafted. By June 2005 I will know a lot of people that will be drafted. June 10, 2005 I will be turning 18. It's so hard to think some of my friends might not be there for their graduation if they are only juniors and 18 by June 2005. Thanks for posting!  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 4:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 43807
i was 19 when i graduated high school. I sure hope they are not planning taking high schoolers! |
Date: 5/25/2004 4:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 61013
I dont like the draft cuz wouldn't it kinda go against our free will??? I mean now if we didn't have a big army then i'd say yeah we need it but we have a pretty good sized army.... Many people have already died why kill more?
Keri aka~  |
Date: 5/25/2004 5:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 7341
No comment...  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 5:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 61013
k cuz i was just wondering |
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Date: 5/25/2004 5:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
This is stuck at the top of the page??? Oh goodness, better start applying for those passports NOW people! |
Date: 5/25/2004 5:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 3835
How do I get off the planet again ???  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 5:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
As for more money being added to the selective service...please show me what government program hasn't had MORE MONEY added every year...Charles Wrangle a Democrat from New York is the one who wants the draft...just because a bill has been introduced in no way means it will be passed. Hardly any politician wants this or the public for that matter..so get a grip people...I promise it won't happen...It is more likely they'll expand the military and add more VOLUNTEERS..who wants a bunch of whiners when you can get plenty of good people to do the tough job without the draft... |
Date: 5/25/2004 6:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
This is ALL POLITICS...This guy is doing it only to make a point..there is NO SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL..so run around like chicken littles if you like, but it will be for nothing...WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely reflect the economic makeup of the nation. The New York Democrat told reporters his goal is two-fold: to jolt Americans into realizing the import of a possible unilateral strike against Iraq, which he opposes, and "to make it clear that if there were a war, there would be more equitable representation of people making sacrifices."
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Date: 5/25/2004 6:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 37471
There is no way this thing will pass, too many people don't want the draft reinstated. personallly, Im joining the marines right out of high school next year, and I dont support the draft because I have tons of friends that arent really Military material, but are fully capable of donig this country a service outside of the armed forces.  |
Date: 5/25/2004 6:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 9713
How...exciting. This will never happen  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 7:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
I find it funny when peope that are for the military call people who are opposed to the military. "not military material" . as if they would never qualify psyical or mental tests. if this does not apply to you. do not respond. |
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Date: 5/25/2004 7:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
It is funny how many people think reinstating the draft will lead us further toward war, or that those drafted will have to go and fight. Let me fill you in on some facts. For every combat soldier in the field, there ten somewhere in the rear making sure that one can do their job. For a fighter squadron of 16 aircraft with pilots, there are hundreds on a base somewhere supporting those aircraft and pilots, and supporting those who support the aircraft. For every ship at sea, there are hundreds of sailors ashore somewhere supporting the fleet. Not all who are trained for combat actually serve in combat roles. The military is involved in humantarian missions around the world. During my time in the service, I served with one peacekeeping mission, served as part of the forces trying to keep illegal drugs out of this country, supported a drug eradication task force here in my home state, and served with various support missions. I also served in two combat zones. Serving in the military is not all about fighting or going to war. My father was drafted back in the early 60s. Although he went through AIT (Advanced Infantry Training), he was not an infantry grunt, but an engineer with a port construction battalion. I know a lot of others who were drafted. Some did serve in combat, but others served in supprt roles. My decision to serve my country, as archaic as it may sound to some, was due to my personal patriotic feelings, and a sense of duty to my country. I was brought up during the Vietnam war, and although many hated that war, and hated our government's involvement in it, they stilled loved this country. It was from those people that I learned to love this country and all it stood for. Next Monday, while many are enjoying the beach, the lake, or a day off work, I will take time to honor those who did fight for what they thought was right, and did not feel the need to dodge a draft. Maybe those who are against the draft should take the time to attend one of the many services on Memorial Day. Maybe then they will understand what service to country is all about. |
Date: 5/25/2004 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 37150
oh no! not the draft! no more war please... :-( how will they decide which women 2 draft? Boys that r the only son r they still safe 2 not be drafted? *SIGH* ::Cries::  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 37471
Author, when I said they weren't "Military material", I didn't mean to offend anyone. what I meant by not military material wasn't that they aren't physically fit or mentally prepared, but that they are in the top 10% of my class, graduating with honors, and scoring 1500s or higher on their SATs. I'm 100% sure that they would rather go through with their education in college and all that rather than being in the armed forces. Thats why I said they aren't "military material". I've willingly been wanting to join the Marines for a good while now, which is why I feel that I am military material. I don't think anyone should have to join the armed forces if they dont want to, and at the same time, when I'm in hostile ground, I don't want someone covering my back who wishes they were somewhere else at that moment. |
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Date: 5/25/2004 7:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 37150
i think it is only fair that women should be drafted too...i support our troops but in this case, they're just trying 2 send almost everyone 2 war. what will our future be like w/out college educated people? seeing as how college can't save anyone anymore 4rm the draft |
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Date: 5/25/2004 7:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Ikedude, you might be surprised how many of that top 10% are military material. I turned down two scholarships to enlist. My SAT and ACT scores were high, and my ASVAB scores were all 96% or higher. My intitial interest in the service was in the field of nuclear power. |
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Date: 5/25/2004 7:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
ikedude. no that response wasnt directed at you. it was from other things ive heard. it just made me think.. if you go to that site theres a whole list of question and answeres. women will not be drafted and single childs will be . yet there are exceptions. take a look. |
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Date: 5/25/2004 7:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 37471
yeah, but most of those 10% don't want to join. This year, out of the 500+ kids at my school, there were 12 of us taking the ASVAB, and none of us were anywhere near the top 10%. I'm somewhere in the 50 or 60's. But I guess you are right, because I feel I would join the Marines even if I was in that 10%. |
Date: 5/25/2004 10:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 53961
Interesting reply to this on Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp  |
Date: 5/25/2004 10:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
I went to the website your cited to discover the Congressional sponsors of these bills. I tried using keyword searches of "S 89," "HR 163," "Draft" and "Universal National Service Act." None of these searches were successful. Do these bills actually exist?  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 11:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
wild flower. very interesting indeed. that hireing advertisment at the same time the bill comes out coincidence is insane... |
Date: 5/25/2004 11:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i wonder if pregnancy and motherhood will stop women from being "drafted"  |
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Date: 5/25/2004 11:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
women cant be drafted |
Date: 5/26/2004 12:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 5940
What if they gave a "War", and nobody showed up?  |
Date: 5/26/2004 3:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 61941
IT's about bloody time, one step closer to mandatory service. OOh-Rah. For all those who will cry and complain about this, here's a litttle food for thought. Get involved now, like with the civil-service or something. That would also be better for those who volunteered military service. We don't like people with us who don't want to be there.  |
Date: 5/26/2004 3:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 48812
Well, like the saying goes: to secure peace is to prepare for war. It's about time they brought it back.  |
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Date: 5/26/2004 5:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 62226
What the heck do you guys mean serve your country ,right now our defenders of freedom are serving Iraq, leaving our homeland largely open to attack .Do you think that if China mobilized its 500,000 troops that our 140,000 could get home in time to serve their country? Furthermore save the world wars every war since the west was won has been financially or egotistically motivated including the Indian wars in Hawaii we fought for sugar, in Panama we fought for a shipping canal in Korea and Vietnam we fought to prove we were better than communists (also for popies) . Afghanistan was a necessary war, but it’s not oil we want in Iraq for when there country becomes a thriving capitalist democracy we will sell them our western culture by the billions. Enough of that, on to the next “those who are unwilling to serve their country do not deserve the freedoms this country offers.” Do many of us not serve our country with our minds? Without the oh, third of us who choose to educate our selves further than high school how long do you think we will hold onto the technological advantage we now have over our potential enemies, who then would design our next generation of battle gear, communication equipment, defense systems, alloys, sensors, craft and countless other things, not to mention keep our economy rich enough to support a military. I fell that education is an invaluable service to ones country. Though I do agree lots of people do this country far less service than they could do in and after the military. ____________I would gladly defend the sovereignty of our nation’s soil, but I could not kill for less. Also I would go as far as to assume that everyone who has typed against war and the draft would have gladly fought against the spread of evil in World War 2. As for Memorial Day, for many years I helped place thousands of flags on the graves of veterans at my local cemetery but I do not think that “service to country is all about” dying for it. |
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Date: 5/26/2004 6:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 9713
Author, you say women can't be drafted in your last comment, however in your post it states that "this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft." So would it, or would it not? You seem to have such knowledge, on this post, but now you are contradicting yourself. |
Date: 5/26/2004 6:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 8024
the price of terrorism is continuously on the rise ... it cost lives each and every day ... it seems the us is on of the very few countrys who are paying a heavy price because of it our choices have led us into a fight with the these terrorists to show that we will not tolerate there threats and wrong doing that we are brave enough to stand up to them ...even through all the ridicule and outside and inner turmoil ... and through all the mistakes that no matter what we will thrive to stop the evil and our people will not have to live in fear afraid to to fly scared to get on the bus or ride a train ....not having to worry while @ the mall or burger king that a suicide bomber is around the corner ... these freedoms cost they cost far more then most people here see ... I don't support the draft but I don't see where service toward your country would be such a bad thing and many of todays youth actually could use a few lessons in how the real world operates ... I also do not support war @ all it sickens me to see lives lost on both sides ...yet war is often unavoidable ... I despise the bush administrations sneaky tactics as well a they completely disgust me ...I am all for a complete hand over of power in iraq tio the people of iraq ... our mission is done there saddam is gone ..terror cells have dwindled ... I say if there is more terrorist in I raq send elite special teams in where necessary... and take them out one @ a time ... but this war is over ... just me & how I feel ... c  |
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Date: 5/26/2004 11:03:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
forever yours - . i did not write what ive posted. I went to the website and read about the draft and it specifically states that women will not be drafted. |
Date: 5/26/2004 11:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 13729
I think people are missing the key word here, PENDING.....The can submit all the bills they want, but that doesnt mean it will pass into law.......  |
Date: 5/26/2004 11:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 10722
Exactly Ritzbe, too many people are getting worked up over nothing. lol  |
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Date: 5/26/2004 11:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 9713
then that shoots down the credibility of whoever wrote this. |
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Date: 5/26/2004 12:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
indeed. |
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Date: 5/26/2004 12:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
It's all part of the problem, reaction, solution. If Bush gets in again it will be enacted. I'll bet $10,000. Our eyes will be off the ball when it happens too. If it was enacted now, Bush would say goodbye to re-election. All sorts of bills were passed that affected our freedom and we found out after the event. I think this renewed threat to the homeland that has suddenly emerged (at a 'timely moment') is part of the 'problem' that we need a 'solution' for. |
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Date: 5/26/2004 1:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
in the house it is sponsored and cosponsored by the democrats, it's the democrats who are pushing for the bill so why would Bush have anything to do with it when it's not even his party? |
Date: 5/26/2004 1:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 25756
That stinks.....especially for my age-group because next year most of the guys in my class are going to be 18. Well...we'll see. Very interesting.  |
Date: 5/26/2004 3:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 38601
well...about 3 years ago I made a plan that any guy I cared about (as a friend or otherwise) was getting their legs broken or they were getting committed if there was a draft...guess it's time to get crackin' cuz I have to get down to Alabama to take care of my friend's brother who's on a military base down there...I'm not going to let any more of my friends die for stupid reasons...and any war Bush pushes for is STUPID!  |
Date: 5/26/2004 6:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 38256
What a coincidence my friend just sent me this article today in an e-mail. I think it would be awful for the draft to be reinstated many of my friends are 18 and the rest, including myself will be turing 18 soon so needless today this scares the crap out of me. I don't feel the calling to serve in the military like some people do and to make me go against my will would probably be dangerous because i would not be motivated or capable of doing some of the things i would be required to do. Especially with the continued trouble in Iraq now I would be horrified to see my friends and family called into service against their will.  |
Date: 5/26/2004 6:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp Check out snopes here for the full story on the whole issue.  |
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Date: 5/26/2004 7:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
62226, you make it sound as if those who serve in the military are not well educated. So you will know, the education level in the military is quite high. Many, including myself, hold degrees. Some have even gotten their PhD while serving. A lot of us have carried our military training over into civilian life, and many veterans are now teaching in the schools and universities. The defense industry is quick to hire veterans, especially those with degrees. That way they have not only people with an excellent education, but also experience with military equipment, and a work discipline that in hard to find on the outside. One thing I did not state concerning compulsary service, and this has been discussed in the past, and was part of one of the plans tossed about a few years back, is that those who honorably complete their compulsary service would recieve funding for two years of further schooling, either college or trade school. It would be much like the old GI Bill. Such a program would not only keep our military up to enough numbers to handle any situation, it would also instill a work discipline into young people who may not ever be exposed to such, and would also offer a lot of people a chance for an education that they may never have antoher chance to get. |
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Date: 5/26/2004 8:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 37150
it says on the site that women are included 2 serve in the military for a period of time...and single children can be drafted? Including boys who r the only son of a family? |
Date: 5/27/2004 9:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 12823
Oh heeeeeeeck no. Fortunately my husband is too old but I think of my brother and friends. :-(  |
Date: 5/27/2004 10:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 18104
I am so tired of hearing about the UNJUST war(s) that Bush and every other President may have gotten us into. We are the United States of America people! Is that not worth defending? Whether you people like it or not there are other countries who despise us and would take any shot to destroy us the minute we show one ounce of weakness. Take the rose colored glasses off people, they are knocking at our door what would you suggest we do? Perhaps if we all hold hands and sing a chorus of "We Are The World" it will make everything all better. Or perhaps we can simply tell them we do not wish to fight so go on home and leave us be. How many of you were not labled an easy target in school after the bully picked on you and did nothing to stand up for yourself or defend youself. Guess what people this is no different.  |
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Date: 5/27/2004 12:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 56024
18104 - no i think this is a little different than a bully. come on now. how can you even make that comparison. anyway this thread should be dead by now and no matter what i say you'll just invent another quick quip downing my patriotism . I just wanted to make it clear that people who are against the war in iraq are not victims of bullies and are not weak. that is all |
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Date: 5/27/2004 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 62734
This draft is great, now i really know we will fight China in 2007 . Any ways if there is a secret govt that has been conroling our fate for the past 50 years, it is useless to debate.All we can do is enjoy the ride. If that means go to war, then swell!-- ive started making my ear necklace |
Date: 5/27/2004 2:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 42259
Can US citizens who live overseas permanently be drafted?  |
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Date: 5/27/2004 2:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 42259
Gunter- the war on Iraq was all about oil. Iraq was NOT going to attack the US! They didn't even have any weapons. And although it's good that Saddam got what he deserved who are the american people to give it to him? It was an unwarranted attack. |
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Date: 5/28/2004 10:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Thanks for the website, Gypsyhawk! I was wondering if these bills were legitimate. |
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Date: 2/28/2008 9:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
It's 2008. I guess I was right about there not being a draft! It was a good example of fear mongering on the part of democrats, brilliant even. |
