Date: 7/28/2004 11:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock and roll band" -- Ted Nugent  |
Date: 7/28/2004 11:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 11341
LOL@BCAR!  |
Date: 7/28/2004 12:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
I just posted the ENTIRE poem. Read it. It makes all the difference in the world when it is read in its ENTIRETY. Some people are so fond of taking a word or a phrase and trying to make out like it is something else. :(  |
Date: 7/28/2004 12:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
"like it is something else"...I just find it disturbing when a presidential candidate quotes a known communist. America will never be "America" to Langston Hughes until it is a "communist America..."  |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Ted tells it exactly how it is. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
"...Some people are so fond of taking a word or a phrase and trying to make out like it is something else..." << This could also apply to Michael Moores film... |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
LOL@BCAR |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
KC, there is an old yiddish saying "When the bride can't dance, she says that the musician's can't play". You lie, you twist and smear. Go to the post where I posted the ENTIRE poem and tell me you disagree with what it says, and why. Your claim that Langston was a "communist" is just pure unadulterated ad-hominem, and nothing to support it. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
Hughes, who writes (his own words) "A real guy named "Marx Communist Lenin Peasant Stalin Worker ME." Yes Thinker, to you...I'm a liar. |
Date: 7/28/2004 12:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 62675
Hmmm I hope this pertains but I just read an editorial about how the canidates always showcase their wives and stuff. I thought it was funny how Heitz-Kerry's first husband was a Republican senator and how she always talks about him. Just something to ponder.  |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
And the RELEVANCE of that little "funny" tidbit would be what, Sunni? |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 62675
Because this post talks about Kerry and stuff he says and how we should think about it. I thought it was funny (not in the comical sense) That her first husband was a republican senator. And I thought that was something to think about. That is the RELEVANCE. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
King Caspian, your last quote there; could you please give the ENTIRE work from which THAT was taken? (the one that starts "Goodbye..") |
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Date: 7/28/2004 12:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
READ some more poems by Hughes. Awesome poet. http://www.poets.org/poets/poets.cfm?45442B7C000C0E01 |
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Date: 7/28/2004 1:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Having read the entire poem I can say that yes, it raeds like the Communist Manefesto. The strength of America is free enterprise, capitalism, individual achievement. You mention Enron, a group of self dealing crooks to be sure, yet all of those common folks holding Enron stock had nothing to say and no questions to ask as long as the stock was rising. The noble peasants were just as guilty as the rest. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 1:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
BCAR, This poet is a BLACK man. Go type in his name and READ his biography! READ! It is obvious that he was not treated the same as what others were; and those freedom';s were denied him. Get outta here with that utter rubbish "Manifesto" crud. Lame, lame lame. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 1:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
I don't think there's any reason to bring race into this Thinker. Again poetry is interpreted by the reader. And if you feel your interpretation bears greater weight than mine I guess you are entitled to that elitest opinion. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 1:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
If only the Author is entitled to an interpretation of this piece then why is John Kerry using it? As surely not being a black man Kerry can no more indentify with this poem than I am allowed to? |
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Date: 7/28/2004 1:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
They're are "black" communists....communism comes in all shapes, sizes, and colors... |
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Date: 7/28/2004 1:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
Oops, "they're" should be "there"...so, go ahead and call me "illiterate" too...I'm used to your name calling by now. |
Date: 7/28/2004 1:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 28989
I agree with The Thinker. English was my minor in college, and I took a class that studied Langston Hughes' and other African American writers' works and lives in detail. Taking quotes out of context without knowing why the authors said what they did does them a great disservice. Langston lived at a time when African Americans had very few rights at all, and his views of America and politics would have had to be very different from ours today. Whatever Hughes' political leanings, America at that time--with its demeaning and segregationist Jim Crow laws--didn't stand up for his rights, so he like many others looked elsewhere for support or guidance. Though I'm not black, I grew up dirt poor and experienced a lot of the ugly underside of poverty in this country. I could only imagine how much worse it was for minorities who were also poor.  |
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Date: 7/28/2004 2:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
KC, words like "elitist" "Marxist communists" "Lib-oo-ruls" are not name calling? Nawww....especially when it is your fellow right wing Neo-Con's. I get it. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 2:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Many people wear those words with pride. |
Date: 7/28/2004 2:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
*sigh* I sure would love to read the ENTIRE text from which the: "Goodbye, "Christ Jesus Lord God Jehovah, "Beat it on away from here now. "Make way for a new guy with no religion at all -- "A real guy named "Marx Communist Lenin Peasant Stalin Worker ME." CAME FROM.
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Date: 7/28/2004 2:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
In fact, John Kerry's vision of America does exist today....it's called France... |
Date: 7/28/2004 3:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 17081
BCAR and KING CASPIAN said it best. Ted Nugent rocks also .  |
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Date: 7/28/2004 3:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 17081
Ted Nugent knows more about America than John Kerry does. He's a good role model too. Sweaty Teddy for prez after Bush's next term. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 3:27:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
LOL@Mfrompa, I agree...Ted Nugent would be a better choice. Remember the "Pat Paulson" for president back in the sixties?? |
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Date: 7/28/2004 3:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 19092
Before your time I see, LOL. And I miss-spelled his last name. It is Pat Paulsen... |
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Date: 7/28/2004 4:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Pat had it going on, King you're dating us both with stuff like that.LOL! And I'll lay this out to anyone in the case of a terrorist attack on the United States. Who would you rather have in charge? George W. Bush, John Kerry, or Ted Nugent? I've spent a week at Ted's Kamp For Kids a couple years back. He's quite a guy, straight-sober-spiritual. A viable write in candidate perhaps.... |
Date: 7/28/2004 4:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
this poem isn't about communism at all. It's about American ideals, written from the point of view of a well-educated black man who, in the 1920's was treated as a second class citizen-- forced to enter the back of buildings, ride in the back of busses, eat in seperate restaurants, work jobs well below his education level for much lower pay. When he says that "America was never America to me" he means that the ideas that America stands for-- freedom and opportunity-- have never been realized for him and yet he has great faith in the potential of the country to achieve these ideals, for he says "America will be!" and, in this sense, it is an extroardinarily patriotic poem. He professes passionate love for his country despite its shortcomings.  |
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Date: 7/28/2004 4:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
Bcar, I actually suspected for a while that you were Ted Nugent. |
Date: 7/28/2004 4:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 53558
I have never heard of Langston Hughes until now. Thank you for sharing..(",)..  |
Date: 7/28/2004 4:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 49101
You know what I find "Funny", is how all the people supporting Bush and not upporting Kerrym asl questions like "What does Kerry Stand For?" and yet, all they can do to challenge the decisions of those in supprt of Kerry is come up with this type of stuff. If you ask me, the fact that he reads poetry and is using a learned knowledge to make a point is far more remarkable than simply lashing out at Bush.  |
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Date: 7/28/2004 5:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
I might be Molly, but then you'd be bugging me for autographs and stuff. And Miss C. it's a fair question, and quotes from poems don't exactly state policy. But absolutely it's better than the mutual bashing going on. As one can see from certain comments there is still plenty of animosity to go around. |
Date: 7/28/2004 5:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
All I hear when Kerry talks is...BLAH, blah, blah, blah. He bores me and doesn't impress me in the least. Interesting post though and very thought-provoking.  |
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Date: 7/28/2004 5:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
KK, excellent point you made above about Moore selectively taking words. I was just thinking the same. |
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Date: 7/28/2004 10:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 49101
That must be because you aren't busy laughing as he stumbles through the language. :) |
Date: 7/29/2004 11:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Very interesting King. Kerry to me has no personality. I don't think HE even knows whom he is.  |
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Date: 8/13/2004 4:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Miss C...no, that's definitely not the case. And since the creation of this post...Kerry has done nothing but say MORE ignorant things and change his views ONCE again on the important issues. |
