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Looking for - Iron Butterfly bassist missing/Time Travel?

  Author:  830  Category:(Missing) Created:(9/29/2000 9:40:00 PM)
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The show unsolved mysteries did a missing persons story on the bassist for Iron Butterfly the psychedelic band from the 1960's early 70's.I am not sure of the complete details but was wondering if anyone could fill them in or correct anything I might of missed or mixed up.In the early 90's he (Kramer) was reported missing by his wife to authorites.Kramer was a genuis in mathematics,physics etc.He supposedly found a way to travel through the universe a distance that would take light years in a matter of seconds.His wife said that he would mumble stuff to her while he was working on this on his laptop at night while they lay in bed.He would say things like he could take a piece of a photo of someone,just a piece, and be able to find them anywhere in the world if they were missing.And that this knowledge has been right under our noses the whole time.His Dad also was helping him with all this and i caught a few seconds of his dad describing the theory briefly to usm the show.Kramer was suppose to meet some government officials at the airport and pick them up the day he ended up missing.He was working with them or some other government officials on this for sometime.The day he was to meet them at the airport he made a call to his wife from his cell phone and told her he was going to kill himself and hung up.A few days later he called her back from a payphone and she said she could hear him but he couldnt hear her.All he said was "hello hello." And that was the last time she heard from him.Im not sure if the officials were questioned or if their identities were ever known.But he has been missing for 4 years and as i was writing this story i decide to get some more detail info for my story and stumbled upon an update.They said his van and someones bones were found off a cliff in a valley last year.His wedding ring and wallet were found too but they would not know until the next day if it was him after they did a tooth comparison.That web site is WWW.CHANNEL3000.COM/TOWNPULSE/TOWNPULSE-STORIES-990531-142215.HTM.........If you just type in the name of the band in a quick search you can find some info on the subject.Please list any details that you know.And i will update the info when i find out if the bones were his or not.And if you know the outcome please post.

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I personley feel he was used by the government for his knowledge then killed so that it wouldnt fall into the wrong hands.I feel either our government did it or another government knew he was picking them up at the airport and abducted him and forced him to make the suicide phone calls to his wife.And then killed him after they got what they wanted.

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Date: 9/29/2000 9:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 11528    I do recall this story and think about it from time to time. You have a lot more details than I was even aware of. I personally think the govt. coerced him into working for them. I hope they didnt kill him because this man was extremely intelligent. It would be a waste of a great mind to kill him.  
Date: 9/29/2000 9:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    i thought they said there was a positive i.d. on some bones using d.n.a.........ladyspirit_guide  
Date: 9/29/2000 10:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 11528    I just went to the link You provided and tried different combinations of words and all search results came back negative. Nothing nada zero. How unusual. I even tried the name Kramer alone thinking I would get something from the seinfeld show but nothing, zero. That makes me so suspicious.  
Date: 9/29/2000 10:30:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 830    www.ironbutterfly.com has a message board and i saw something on there about it but im trying to figure out how to read old postings.  
Date: 9/29/2000 10:39:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 830    www.ironbutterfly.com click on thread 276 and theres some stuff on that one about it.But theres more im sure on the other threads.But there was a story done on the bassists disappearance in MAXIM or MAXUM magazine earlier this year or the end of last year,it has Sabrina the teenage witch on the cover.  
Date: 9/29/2000 11:18:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 830    www.elvispelvis.com click on dead musicians and then stroll way down to philip kramers name and there are several articles on his disappearance and what he was into.Something about that he figured out how to make an atom travel at the speed of light...???  
Date: 9/29/2000 11:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 12823    This is strange. As I was reading this, even before you started talking about the government, I got an overwhemling feeling that the government has something to do with his death. I am feeling that they killed him for his knowledge. He was forced to make the suicide call. OK, I am not psychic, but I am sensing that they threatened to hurt his family if he did not make the call. This is very strange for me. I am almost positive this is what happens. Before I even read the story I felt he was murdered and the government had something to do with it. Now I am sure because this is what the story is pointing to. I hope I don't sound too weird. Love,  
Date: 9/29/2000 11:54:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 830    You probably had those feelings cuz the facts have already been posted here.You are being to vague.Be more specific,like names....But here is a very informative website on what he was into.www.skeptictank.org/kramer.htm  
Date: 9/30/2000 5:27:00 AM  From Authorid: 14226    I think the government of any country could do that pretty sad huh? Love EclipseS  
Date: 9/30/2000 8:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 3894    dont you write anything else? LOL no I'm kidding! ...  
Date: 9/30/2000 10:59:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 830    Daisy go play hockey.  
Date: 9/30/2000 12:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 12823    I can't list names since I am not psychic. I have never heard of this story before, nor have I ever read it before, this is simply the impression I got from it. Sorry, I cannot help. I am fascinated, though. Love,  
Date: 10/4/2000 10:16:00 AM    wow! what a message
Date: 10/4/2000 4:53:00 PM  From Authorid: 177    It's a bizarre and chilling story, for sure. The government theory, sounds the most plausible to me. He must have been onto some very dangerous knowledge, if the government would be willing to sacrifice one human life to save millions. Or possibly the gov. had some sinister alien/military secrets that needed covering up. At any rate...IN A GADDA DA VIDA, BABY!  
Date: 10/7/2000 7:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    I'm just glad I'm a moron so the government will never want to abduct me! Right, Dal? LOL! Definitely a strange tale. I wonder who finally did end up picking his brain and what are they going to do with that knowledge? Hmmmm...  
Date: 10/8/2000 6:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 17222    Wow!I have never heard this story before!But its nice that you would care about the group!

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