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Date: 9/20/2005 12:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 63205
Jesse James...what a legend! Very interesting article.........NbN ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2005 7:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 10773
*raises an eyebrow* Riiiiiight lol. Interesting tale, though. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2005 2:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
Interesting story, but I can tell you that the stories of the three outlaws living on are all fiction. I hope you don't believe them. ![]() |
Date: 9/21/2005 6:21:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 8961
Gypsyhawk - I am skeptical about everything I read on the internet, even your assurance that the stories are all fiction. ![]() |
Date: 9/21/2005 2:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
Very healthy viewpoint, Delion. Skeptisism really only means to be more openminded about what may be true or not. I myself am very skeptical of many things, and I used my skeptisism of the subjects of the post to do more in depth research, especially since I've been interested in the west most of my life. Nearly all of my sources are not from the internet and I can provide one here, which is sitting on my desk, for the case of J.Frank Dalton. The rest, well, I don't have the sources handy anymore, but I'll mention them anyway. From "The Wild West" published in 1952, page 44 deals with Dalton. Homer Croy, a Jesse James biographer, paid a visit to Dalton in his home, where the "outlaw" was drinking whiskey and eating donuts. He asked him, "What does Red Fox mean to you?" Dalton replied "he was a scout for Quantrill, part Indian." (Quantrill was the leader of a Confederate guerilla force that Jesse and his brother Frank rode with). In reality, Red Fox was Jesse's race horse. Then the reporter asked Dalton how he happened to grow a new tip of a finger on his left hand that Jesse shot off when he was a kid. As the book says, "The old gent simply took another slug and offered Homer a dougnut." Also, it was hard to put Jesse into the ground. After they began lowering the coffin down, his mother shrieked (again) and demanded that the coffin be brought up and opened again to look at his hands. Seems she thought one of them was missing or otherwise cut. They did this for her. She was beside herself, and if she was in on the conspiracy (which she would have to be), why would she risk another exposure of the body? There are a few pics of the body of Jesse too, after death, that look very like his life pics, sans the beard. They even marked on his death clothes the wounds he recieved in life. They knew exactly where they were. How could they find someone who would know this detail and point them out on the clothes if given just a few days to bury him? There also exists a pic of J.Frank Dalton's birthday. Beside him stands none other than Brushy Bill Roberts. These two outlaws coming together in old age to celebrate birthdays? Please. What seems more likely to me are two old friends who both want to be somebody before they die and who each make up their own persona. Speaking of Roberts, he was too young to have been the Kid. In fact, since his death, they found a family Bible in the possession of a relative that says this guy was born Oliver Roberts during a time that would make him a little kid while Billy was already killing. He could not speak any Spanish, and it is known that the Kid could. Many have tried to track down a "Billy Barlow" in Fort Sumner, and the man just seems to have never existed. Besides, Roberts' story relates a real gun battle that night in the streets with many shots being fired, and no resident of the entire town ever mentioned that happening that night. Sure, the Kid had friends up there, but it would have been a conspiracy of a great magnitude for no one to ever speak of such a thing on that night. Lastly about Roberts, Unsolved Mysteries (tv show) showed a computer comparison between the Kid's pic and Brushy's. No match. Last of all, I have to admit, I have not done a lot of research on Booth, but I do know that they dragged him from the barn and took him, still alive, to the porch of the house, before he died. Many got to see him. No one present ever said he was not Booth. Those are most of the reasons I have for not believing the stories, and all can be found in published books before the internet (although some may not be in cirulation now). I've always used my own skepticism to something I'm interested in to dig further and bring up what I can see. I've given these men an objective consideration, and each has failed my own criteria. ![]() |
Date: 9/22/2005 12:52:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 8961
Gypsyhawk - Appreciate the info. I enjoy reading about the West and the early history of America. However, I admit that I do not delve into it as deep as you. But I realize that history is not always recorded as it really happened. The writers bias and prejudices are, too many times, included. ![]() |
Date: 9/22/2005 8:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 25390
Very interesting! I have been to Granbury several times, but I never knew all of this. I'll have to check it out for myself sometime. ![]() |
Date: 9/25/2005 12:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 62918
very very interesting. i love and hilariously AGREE with the theories. i say hilariously b/c i know peeps are bashing it and i usu. agree with the majority... love the post, delion! ![]() |
Date: 9/25/2005 7:07:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 8961
For a little more info on Billy the Kid, visit: http://www.hico-tx.com/billy/index.html ![]() |
Date: 9/25/2005 7:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 55967
^^^Interesting site. I've read "Alias Billy the Kid," written by Brushy Bill's two lawyers, and "Billy the Kid and Me Were the Same," written by William Tunstall, with whom I had a one-letter exchange about 14 years ago. You're quite right, Delion; history is not recorded as it happened. Heck, a traffic accident that happened 30 seconds ago already has as many different stories to it as there are people standing there. You're welcome for the info. I just like writing about this stuff a lot. I WILL give Brushy Bill a few things. He didn't become a huge story and real mystery for nothing. Here are a few interesting things about him. One day, in the travels of the lawyers through New Mexico in their search for people who may support the Kid, they found themselves in San Patricio, a very, very small village just below Lincoln where the Kid hid out a lot. A lot of Mexicans lived there then, and still do. Now. The lawyers wanted to settle a small detail once and for all. It seems that Brushy eluded to living in a house a few times during this historical window when the Kid roamed free. Now, every historian swore up and down that the Kid NEVER had a house of his own. Never. Well, the lawyers met with an old woman who knew the Kid. One asked her, "Did Billy ever own a house?" She pointed with her finger over her shoulder, and out her window toward a small distant hill. "Over there, on top of that hill, Billy and Charlie Bowdre had a small house. They went in on it together, and hoped to have a ranch someday. They had at least one big fight there, too." As I said, no historian knew this. Also, Brushy knew that it was black soldiers that came down from Fort Stanton to surround the houses in Lincoln during the five-day battle. No history book said that up to that time; they just said soldiers. Also, in all the movies, the soldiers are all white. Now, there would have been records existing that told the soldiers were black, but I think the average Joe, like Brushy, would NOT have picked up on this anywhere. I will agree---Brushy is an enigma. I don't believe he was the Kid, but I think he may have been close to someone who was close to the Kid. The earlier info I wrote overrides, to me, the evidence I just wrote out. Oh yea. There are a few other neat little stories. Like the time the lawyer took Brushy through Lincoln, up to the courthouse where he made his big escape when he was Billy. That was the day he killed two guards and terrorized the town before leaving. The lawyer and Brushy sat in the car and looked at the courthouse. Suddenly, Brushy began to tremble. Tears began to flow. He said he could not go in. He asked the lawyer to drive. As they were leaving Lincoln, he suddenly turned to him and said "go back." They went back. Brushy got out. The caretaker of the place that evening said that when the two approached, Brushy was visibly shaken. They took him inside. For a short while, Brushy looked around as if he were lost. They did, in fact, remodel it a bit since Billy's day. Then he found his bearings and took the men on a tour, showing them what happened. This was another interesting antecdote, but it doesn't convince me. There is something else I want to say, but I'm afraid this comment will become too long. I think I'm going to stop right here. Maybe I'll add the rest on another comment. ![]() |
Date: 9/29/2005 4:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 63172
As whacky as it sounds I believe Brushy really was the kid.There were few accurate records kept back then.People said Billy The Kid was left handed.Yet people that knew Billy said he was in fact ambidexterous(uses both hands)Also Brushy was bilingual as was Billy.He spoke fluent Spanish.The day Brushy went before the hearing to determine if he was The Kid,he was having a stroke.He was extremely frightened by the media circus and must have thought he was going to be hanged.They asked a man suffering a stroke to speak spanish for them.I have read everything I can find about Brushy Bill Roberts since I first learned about him. ![]() |
Date: 9/29/2005 4:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 28946
All of this, the story and comments are very interesting. ![]() |
Date: 11/16/2005 12:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 20977
I live in Texas, where is Granbury?? ![]() |
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