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Religious Fanaticism And How to Deal with It.............Posted by Two Spirit

  Author:  47296  Category:(Discussion) Created:(3/5/2006 10:48:00 AM)
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By Belenios Ategnatos

Viveka is a Sanskrit word meaning "philosophical discrimination" or the ability to distinguish one thing from another, to tell what is true and what is false, etc. In the world today, fanaticism is one of the most dangerous forces. Fanaticism can be defined as the blind belief that an idea or doctrine is absolutely true, AND that it is acceptable or even right to force others to share that particular belief. Let us consider how viveka can allow us to find and recognize fanaticism.

Fanaticism can occur with religions or with political ideologies. In politics, fanaticism is manifested as enforcement of "political correctness". Interestingly, the practice of viveka is very often accused of being politically incorrect, by the politically correct.

Apparently, the opposite of fanaticism would be absolute openness, with the idea that everything is true, and right; or moral relativism would be another apparent opposite. In fact, such ideas are themselves enforced by their adherents fanatically.

The true opposite of fanaticism, of any sort, is viveka, distinguishing the actual right and wrong or true and false of ideas, without blindly and irrationally accepting, adhering to, or rejecting them.

In the world today, one of the greatest threats is considered to be terrorism, which is the use of indiscriminate force against innocent people in order to send a message or to coerce particular choices by a government or society at large. Terrorism is sometimes used by people fighting for freedom when no other method is seen as effective, as when the oppressor has overwhelming resources. Most other kinds of terrorism are driven by fanaticism, either political or religious.

The latter kind is what we shall consider. By numbers and governmental control, the two most powerful religions in the world today are Christianity and Islam. The majority of known religious terrorists today are fueled by strict interpretations of Islam and its scripture and tradition. Its main opponent, both its target and main resistance, is the so-called "West", which is predominantly Christian. This gives the impression that Christianity is opposed to fanaticism, and stands for freedom, which is a main value of the "West".

Viveka combined with history shows us that this is wrong. Freedom in the "West" exists in spite of, and even in response to, Christianity, not because of it. According to history, until a few hundred years ago, ever since the Roman Empire made it the established religion, Christianity enforced totalitarian thought control in every place where it predominated. It did so with the full power of the military behind it, and with the penalty of torture and death for any dissent. Does this sound familiar? Not much different from the Taliban during their reign in Afghanistan?

Why do Christians, in the West, today not realize this? They are indoctrinated as much in the "Western" values of freedom as they are in their religions, and their religions are subordinated to the theoretically secular states of the "West". Further, they do not much study history, which is increasingly unpopular and considered irrelevant in the "Western" mind.

The result of this is that there are Christians in the "West", as well as followers of Islam, that are not themselves fanatics, and do not believe their religion to be fanatical, if "properly interpreted".

Thus, the question is how do we recognize the seeds of fanaticism in any ideology? It is worthwhile for every freedom-loving person to careful examine any ideology or religion that they might belong to, or consider belonging to, with viveka, to determine whether or not it contains and supports fanaticism.

Here are some points that must be noted:

Fanaticism firstly discourages viveka, or tries to limit it. It places scriptures or the teachings of leaders first. Non-fanaticism instead says that we accept the authority of scriptures and leaders after finding them, through viveka, to be right and useful.

Fanaticism says that if people do not accept doctrines or ideas, they may be coerced, persecuted or even eliminated, either by believers, or by a "higher authority." This includes prophecy that unbelievers will be "eternally damned" after a final "judgement day". Non-fanaticism says that although not everything and every belief is true, differences of opinion and belief are to be tolerated; and ideas are to be freely discussed, considered and debated, NOT suppressed.

Fanaticism teaches what to think; non-fanaticism teaches how to think.

Fanaticism is a simple thing, and it is that easy to recognize. That is to say, the potential for fanaticism in an ideology is that easy to recognize. In fact, as we can see around us, many followers of religions that have recognizable seeds of fanaticism are not fanatics.

Sometimes we find some seeds and not others, which gives us a more difficult exercise in viveka. For example, let us take the Indian culture. Among followers of the Vedas, it is usually held that the Vedas are incontrovertibly true. However, in fact, the only kind of fanaticism that this leads to is that followers of the Vedas may reject those who are not followers. The Vedas themselves reject any other aspect of fanaticism, for the Vedas and their descendant traditions, as Indian culture as a whole, recognizes and accepts multiplicity of paths of religion and search for spiritual knowledge. Furthermore, the tradition teaches the search for Absolute Truth for oneself, rather than blind faith in a previously "revealed" doctrine. The Vedic way has revelations to be sure, but not every true seeker is enjoined to achieve revelation for oneself.

It is also necessary to distinguish between the traditional teachings at the core of any of them, and the actual attributes of the followers. Sometimes, followers of non-fanatic religions have become fanatical, but usually such followers are converts from fanatical religions.

Let everyone practice viveka in this way, and examine any religion, school of thought, or ideology that they might wish to belong to, or that they study. Even where we have given our judgement here, let the reader do their own examination, and not follow the writer blindly!

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Date: 3/5/2006 10:54:00 AM  From Authorid: 15070    excellent post. And I agree with the article 100%. It is well-written credible, and "true." Thank you TS....  
Date: 3/5/2006 10:56:00 AM  From Authorid: 47162    assuming all fanatics haven't at least thought about their chosen faith!.....you assume all fanatics haven't thought things out.......i'm sure this isn't always the case......and many of those opposed to fanaticsm confuse one's desire to share or discuss, or convert others to their faith, as "forcing"!.....there is a difference between stating your side as a means of persuading someone to join y9our side, and putting a gun to someone's head and "forcing" them to believe!......in the anti-fanatics vocabulary, a preacher in the pulpit or tv, stating their bold convictions, is "forcing" their views!  
Date: 3/5/2006 10:58:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47296    R1, read the author's statement; "Non-fanaticism says that although not everything and every belief is true, differences of opinion and belief are to be tolerated; and ideas are to be freely discussed, considered and debated, NOT suppressed."  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 47162    is the writer of viveka "forcing" their views on us by their attempts to persuade us to their way of thinking?.........if not, then many religous people shouldnt be considered fanatics either, since they are doing what the writer of this article is doing.......which is simply stating their case, and trying to convince others they are right.  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 15070    R1-does "choosing" the faith of the Fanatic lesson its' damage? Or the impact of their harm? More "Evil" has been visited on Man in the "Name" of a religion than any other...  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:11:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47296    No, he is not forcing his views. He is showing though that fanaticism is there. He also shows us that not all that we may view as fanatics are actually fanatical. It all depends on the the point of view one has. It is hardest for those who are Christian or Moslem to view fanaticism, because the see so many others who are like them. Others though can see it, because they are viewing it from an outside, unbiased position. Of course, not all Christians or Moslems are fanatics.  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:14:00 AM  From Authorid: 47162    spirit child..and more has been done in the name of atheism too........remember stalin? ussr in ww2? ussr in afghanistan?............much is done in the name of nationalism too!.....*tips my hat to TS*  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:19:00 AM  From Authorid: 15070    Satlin asked his people what they believed about his policies, and then slaughtered them for disagreeing with him. That is not a lesson lost on me. (My Beloved grew-up in Russia, trust me, another topic with which I am deeply familiar). Your point being? Shall I re-direct TS's post proving the fallacy in your statement? I could pull the numbers to show how religious fanaticism HAS been the cause of the worst (vile) wholesale slaughter of innocents. And, the primary root of most Wars.  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 15070    Stalins' slaughter of those who disagreed with him, IS fanatism. Fanatical ideas, by a tyrant. Done in the name of policy, or "religion", it is the same. Remember, Religion by its' very Nature is a Political Organization. Religion is Man-Made. "Faith" is internal, and inherant in Man.  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 63077    R1, I have an idea! Let's the play the you-were-wrong-so-just-give-it-up-for-a-change game. Good post, TS.  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:26:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47296    Many believe that Communist Russia was an Atheist country. Although many did denounce religion, the Orthodox church still held strong roots in the lives of the people.  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:33:00 AM  From Authorid: 15070    Indeed....TS is correct.  
Date: 3/5/2006 11:34:00 AM  From Authorid: 15070    and heres' a frightening thought....Athiests are very Moral too. Some of them. No one person speaks for all. Fair enough. But Morality, and a gentle spirit are not exculsive to one faith.  
Date: 3/5/2006 12:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 15675    Good post!  
Date: 3/7/2006 2:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    You Lost me  

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