Date: 7/8/2008 10:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
btw-the Weatherman bombed (among other buildings) a Police Station in New York. How they figured that killing innocent people would improve this Nation, I have no clue. Protest the War by killing civilians? That really makes sense.  |
Date: 7/8/2008 10:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 64497
I guess people are so blinded by his words of "change" that they don't want to see that he is a liar. *sighs* Or it could be that if you say anything bad about him you must be racist.  |
Date: 7/9/2008 1:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 21867
...or it could be that every President you've ever had - just as every Prime Minister my country has ever had - has likely laid down with dogs and woken up with fleas...gutter politics...none are without dirt...  |
Date: 7/9/2008 3:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 51876
First, want to address the Weathermen connection.I had not done enough research on Obama to make a correct assesment when you brought this subject up B4.Lets keep this in context.This was the late 60's.The Weathermen were a product of backlash against the conspiracies that sought to control our government and create a Fascist/Racist regimine.Need I remind you that Martian Luther King and Bobby Kennedy's assasination made people radicalized against the "Old,White Racist Men who were trying to control the populace and suppress minority's.Nixon was a totally corrupted president as his impeachment showed. Why do you think they made drugs illegal? especially mariuana.Because as a Felon, your voting rights are taken away in most States.Creating a permenant sub-class that can be controlled by suppressing their "Voice"! WUO got the name from Bob Dylan song: "I don't need a Weatherman to see which way the wind blows".It was part of the American movement of Student Radicalism.They were created because activists wanted to "Shock people out of their complacency over the war in Veitnam and declared the U.S. as the most racist country in the world.the Death of Black Panther leader, Fred Hampton ignited more fervor from the Weatherman and further showed these anti-government groups that the "Man" was going to kill them or worse.WUO broke Timothey Leary out of jail and arranged for his transportation to Algiers he later helped the FBI investigation for a lighter sentence.Furthermore the most extreme members of this group Susan Rosenberg and Linda Evans were pardoned by Bill Clinton in 1995.In 2004 the NYPD started tracking extremist groups because of the Republican National Convention, they issued a Statment saying that members of the WUO were being released from Fed.Pen. and were planning to "do something" at the convention.Obama comes from Chicago which was the "Ground Zero doe 60's student radicilism, The Chicago 7 trial, the Democratic Convention of 69 and the area has embraced many former "Radical" or terrorists as you put it, into the mainstream of Chicagoian life.The only known meeting of Obama with Dohrn and Ayers happened at the request of State Senator Ann Palmer who wanted to announce that she wanted the local democrats to give Barack the chance, First to fill that seat and started his rode in Political life.That is Why he is associated with the Weathermen Group because his Political life started in their home, because of another individual. not because he wanted to have a relationship with Ayers.How can Obama help that this person is highly regarded in the area of Chi-town? Dohrn and Ayers have spoke publiclly about their past, they are unrependent and when they say they wish they would have done more, the mention that "Terrorism is a awful practice and achieves nothing". They mean Fight Back in a more Positive way! Wikepedia states that No one has ever been killed by this Group, they accidently killed themselves and at the end of their run in the 70's some extreme members robbed a Armored Car.So, your anger is misguided to me.Obama is a political product of our actions and policies against Race in the 60's. He is the logical byproduct of our nation's experience.He is the Right Man for the Job; Right Now!  |
Date: 7/9/2008 5:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
Many of Obama's friends are antiAmerican in some way, his own mother was very much so. Do I think that Obama loves this country?? I think like most liberals he loves what this country could be...what he could make it, not what it is now. I can't think of anyone less qualified to be President, all his elections have been run by the Chicago machine, something almost always happened to the other candidate to make them drop out of the race. He's been in the senate for what??? 3 years? And has been running for President for at least 2 of those years.  |
Date: 7/9/2008 6:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 56359
Sure, many of our presidents had flees Agent Smith, but this man’s flees are to the extreme. It’s frightening to me to think that such a massive amount of American’s can hear the few things he’s for, and decide that he’s the man to run the country. Keep the poor poor, and a select few powerful; that’s one of few things Senator Obama actually believes in; his charisma, and the way he ‘acts’ while delivering a well written speech has gotten him quite far without having to take a principled stand on much at all. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that the democratic voters want to keep the poor down, and I don’t think they are bad people; I’m sure a majority of them are fine, good hearted individuals. I just don’t think they see, from listening to some in my own family, lol, that high taxes and an extraordinary number of entitlement programs can enhance the lives of anyone who falls victim to these ideas. Yet, with the rhetoric we have to sort through by politicians on both sides, it’s hard to distinguish the good and the bad. Getting back to the contents of this post, in my opinion, I think a small amount of Obama voters are so frustrated with America, for whatever reason (I certainly don’t understand that), to the point that they hate their own country, thus they see him and the associations he has with these fanatical people, and appreciate his, in their mind, courage. In my mind he’s craven. Please don’t misunderstand, I’m not saying to the people here on USM that if your voting for Obama you hate this country, I’m just saying that I think a small amount of his votes are coming from people like that within America. In closing I’ll say, with certain votes I’ve read that he made in Illinois, I could never find it within my heart to vote for him. Thanks for the post Friend; it was very informative; as most all your posts are :)  |
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Date: 7/9/2008 8:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 51876
What entitlement programs are comung with Obama, Screenwriter? |
Date: 7/9/2008 8:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
What comes with Obama is very little experience in executive management, very little experience in government at a national level, very little credibility in his ability to "change" very few specifics beyond that buzzword "change". What we will get is a swing to the left, a class warfare agenda very much akin to socialism, the demonization of success, wealth and capitalism, a likely increase on taxes for anyone making over 70K a year (the evil rich) increased taxes on corporations which only serve to drive more businesses to cut employees or leave the country all together and an assured continuation of the movement from economic power to third world country for America. And of course the mainstream media will applaud every move. And best of all if we elect him we will deserve every bit of it.  |
Date: 7/9/2008 8:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 63026
And mccain is a war monger like Bush. He would lead us to war with Iran, and other countries. Even though the top Brass at the Pentagon has warned not to fight on 3 fronts.  |
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Date: 7/9/2008 8:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 56359
What I meant by that Bruiex, is that he’s going to keep such programs going, and, with a democratic house and senate I can’t imagine them shrinking either. I just fear that such programs don’t allow many people who partake in them to ever reach their full potential. Sure, I won’t argue that certain programs have helped a number of individuals as well, but, for the most part, I think that things such as welfare and food stamps are designed to keep people down. People who are in these programs deserve to live the American dream just like everyone else, but I just feel that many elected leaders look down upon them while telling them that they’re ‘here to help’ and in turn keep their position sturdy. I hear what your saying Bruiex, and it’s hard because I don’t see too much difference in the republican nominee either. And, concerning what you said earlier in this post, I completely understand your point about Senator Obama being a ‘logical byproduct of our nation's experience’, and your point is well taken. But, to me that shows a weakness within him. Years ago, I had a lot of hate within me. I never released it in a bad way, or struck out at anyone, but it was there within me. And I was miserable because of it. Once I found the courage inside of myself to let it go of it, I became a much happier and better off person. If Obama can’t get rid of his hatred, which I can see in him, then I feel sorry for him. And now that he’s using this to win elections, I don’t think he’ll ever be able to let go. I’ve said before, if Hillary was the nominee, I would be voting for a third party candidate, yet, since Obama is the nominee, I feel I have no choice to vote for John McCain. He disappoints me as well, however, with what he’s gone through as a POW and hearing about the courage that he obviously has within him from soldiers that served beside him, at least I know he has conviction somewhere in his soul. Senator Obama just strikes me a… a… politician only. I’m sure we’ll have to just agree to disagree on this one Friend :) I know I got way off the subject again; I guess that happens, lol |
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Date: 7/9/2008 9:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I grew-up in a suburb of Chicago. My Father (and two Uncles) were Policeman. The suburb where my Father was a Policeman (and later a Sargent) touches Chicago. From Kindergarten to 4th grade at my school, we had bomb threats.This was during the time the Weatherman, (and the Black Panthers) were bringing War "to the streets". They targeted the suburbs. I think those that bomb schools, police stations & other places are the lowest cowards. Only child abusers & paedophiles are worse in my mind. I have photos of my Father at anti-war demonstrations. They were peaceful demonstrations, so it was possible. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 9:49:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
PsyGuy, this post is to address Obama's friends, and why I loathe the Weatherman. To be fair, if John McCain were friends with an equally loathesome group, trust me, I would be all over that too. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 9:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 64497
Agent Smith, I agree with you that every President has dirt, but I definately think that because he isn't white the media is willing to overlook certain things for fear of being labeled intolerant. I have a feeling that if McCain was tied to White Nationalists then there would be a enormous uproar, and it would kill his political aspirations. And I don't really see that he has any plans for change. Don't get me wrong, I don't think any of the candidates are good, and I think we are in for a very rough next few years, but I just think that this country doesn't need Obama or McCain. I know this is old news, but I just find it crazy that people are willing to believe that he barely knew Reverend Wright. You hang out with someone for 20 + years (I believe that was the amount of time, if not, correct me) you know what they stand for, and you are lying if you say you don't. I also think that during this time, when we have a war going on against terrorism, our president should NOT have connections to terrorists. Call me crazy, but I think that will create a whole lot of problems. We can't exactly be tough on terrorism and still be friends with them, can we? Just my thoughts on the matter. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 10:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 51876
Thanks Screenwriter,I understand everyone's point about the lack of experience and people reliance on Government assistence.You know my Best Friend is black and as a White American I have always had Black Friends but my friends are in their upper 30's and mid 40's, nothing like the youngsters running aroung with underwear showing and crooked hats.The young black americans are lost and need reconciliation with their country.I acknowledge the weaknesess of Obama. I truely beleive that by Obama getting elected we are embracing My generation and those younger, Obama is only 48, he wasn't part of the "Weathermen" group.My generation has been influenced by all the things we saw.We are the first True media generation.As a Nation collectively we will state to the world that racism is dead and if we can elect a "Slick Willie" and a "Redneck Nepotistic" than we can extend the courtesy of Public Office of President to a Young, Professor of Law who wants to Balance the equation of our constant conundrum concerning race in the United States.Give him a chance, hold him accountable.Because of the Actions of our current White House it seems the President can operate with impunity.They have abused the office and are impeachment worthy but No One Wants To Put the Country Through that; Just like Ford pardoned Nixon, he didn't do it because he thought he wasn't guilty, he did because he did not want to see the country go through any more of this poisonous affair which downgraded our perception worldwide.George Bush and Dick Cheny did just that again and more, but kept a tighter lid on their actionsand by this time the 10 year Republican Media Propaganda machine Fox News is running full steam ahead..You didn't see Book after book coming out against the Clinton administration in his 2nd term.I would much rather deal with a President who is Young, Sharp and willing to Compromise than One that does nothing in the interests of the American People only Corporations and Militarians. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 10:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
I think that if certain people would do a bit of research into John Mcain they would find him to be anything but a war monger. He is of course a veteran, a former POW and the father of one son in the naval Acadamy and another son who is a Lance Corporal in the Marine Corps, who has already done one tour in Iraq. People like that aren't prone to war mongering.(what ever that means) |
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Date: 7/9/2008 11:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 51876
The McCain Family proudly states that every generation of American McCains have fought in every war in U.S.History. He has called for Nuke strikes on Iran and thinks the war on terrorism needs to be expanded.If that is not a Warmonger, I do not know what one is then. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 11:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 63026
I think Obama is just the lesser of the 2 evils... |
Date: 7/9/2008 11:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 14909
I'm telling you this, they are all crooks with nothing but self interests in their eyes. When are people going to stand up and get back to what the founding fathers of this country had in mind. "WE THE PEOPLE"  |
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Date: 7/9/2008 11:10:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
PsyGuy-I do not want the Rev. Wrights & the Louis Farrakhans having access to the White House (or the ear of the President). |
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Date: 7/9/2008 11:12:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Creech-I agree. If there was a choice, a true 3rd candidate that could get the vote (and win) that person would have my vote. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 11:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 51876
I must say that Spirit Child, you have been there, just like I have been through all my Bush Country stuff.Guess politics is always going to be a dirty biz and everyone in it has to kiss up to people they do not want to.In Charlie Wilson's War the movie with Tom Hanks and Julie Roberts, He states, " I may be voted in by the people but I am elected by Jews" nothing disbaraging about Jews just making the point that politicians always have to deal with people with questionable motivations and that is how they get elected.I realize what you have said and we all must stand by what we believe.Respect to you. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 11:18:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you Bruiex, respect to you too, my friend. |
Date: 7/9/2008 11:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
It has just been reported that Iran has nuclear weapon capacity in their hands. McCain is calling for economic sanctions, not nuclear bombing of Iran. I believe his stated position is that IF (that is a pre-condition) Iran attacked Israel, a nuclear strike against Iran would be warranted. To just take these little "sound-bites" from these candidates and run with them to the extent I am reading here (I am NOT referring to the original post, which BTW, I find informative), e.g., that McCain is a "warmonger", is one of the biggest mistakes I see in people's reasoning and decision-making skills in this country. There is no full thought going into a presidential pick when one is choosing the "lesser of two evils" (Sorry, Psy-Guy, but that is just too cliche in this day and age). There ARE more than two presidential candidates and to cling to the idea that we must elect one of the major party candidates to avoid "wasting our vote" is to support the status quo, which as you should all know, is to reject "CHANGE". Just because the mainstream media force-feeds you the idea that you must choose from the two major political parties, I would think would be a rallying cry for the multitude of Independent registered voters, and those who feel they must vote for "the lesser of two evils", that WE THE PEOPLE control our destiny and if we want someone other than a Republican or a Democrat in the White House, it is a plausible, possible, and favorable CHANGE for this country. God Bless.  |
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Date: 7/9/2008 11:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 63026
Yea, but until the 3rd party comes into big play, and many Americans get out of the 2 party system, I am voting for Obama... |
Date: 7/9/2008 12:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 62506
spin..  |
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Date: 7/9/2008 12:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 51876
Vote for that Libertarian, I personaly am confused by them.First i thought they had this woman running and now see a Man,Look I voted for Kinky Friedman for Governor in 2006, 1% of the vote is all he got, it really is dicouraging.The Green Party is getting real big in Great Britian but not here,there is no viable canditate.It's got to start on the Local Level or it is never going to happen in the population counts we have today.So, Deb it is a "choice of lesser evils". |
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Date: 7/9/2008 12:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 63026
And I bet when the 3rd candidate gets into Mainstream Media, he'll be destroyed, scrutinized, and publically humilated too, and they won't offer any change. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 12:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 63026
And if they all voted in, they still got the rebublicans, and democrats running the country. It's not going to change, unless we radically change how our government is ran. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 12:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I will have to check-I thought that Cynthia MacKinney was the Libertarian Candidate for President. I kinda like her. (I saw her apparences with Ron Paul, and an interview between her & Alex Jones). But she made the News for fighting with a Guard at the White House when she didn't have her ID with her. I believe she is a Congresswoman. She made an ugly scene, that was not necessary, ~IMO~ |
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Date: 7/9/2008 12:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I really like Ron Paul, and I am really sorry that the label of "Looney" was slapped on him (and his supporters). |
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Date: 7/9/2008 1:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 51876
Ron Paul and his folks are planning a Rally before the Republican Party Convention.He said that it was "Not a Protest or Demonstration", they just want to express their views.It supposed to happen very close to where the convt. is being held. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 1:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 64637
I strongly believe from the depths of my heart that Obama is a liar, and the Anti-Christ!!!! Just my opinion!~~~Mi9dnight Sun |
Date: 7/9/2008 1:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 64414
LOL!! Well, Midnight Sun, I cant say he is the AntiChrist....but I sure dont trust him any farther than I could throw him!! LOL!!  |
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Date: 7/9/2008 2:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Oh, I guess I get it. Let's vote to "change" even though it will all stay the same . . . huh??? How does that make any sense? The Libertarian candidate is Bob Barr and he has been stated as such for weeks now. Ron Paul was the Libertarian candidate at one time, also. I've voted Libertarian and never felt like my vote was "wasted", especially not on "the lesser of two evils". It is the mentality being exhibited (yeah, I'm going to call you all out -- on your cowardness) in which things "change" but remain the same. And a radical difference in how our government is run IS THE SUBJECT OF THE CHARACTERS IN THIS POST complete with information as to the methods and manner in which they hoped to accomplish same, i.e., domestic terrorism. I honestly have the slightest bit of optimism in my mind that the Republicans and the Democrats that really want to be servants of the people would be relieved to have someone other than the two major party candidates so that they can do want they feel is best for the whole country rather than for their party, themselves, and their re-election campaigns. God Bless. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 3:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 51876
No, Deb, Milestones have been met and looking to create more.Also More people are getting involved in politics now and have a better understanding as to what is going on other than in the past where only a Rich, White Majority dictated to other races what the economic and political situations were.Voter registration is at 30 year highs.We have come a long way in this country and still have a Long way to go.Problems are always going to be there.We have grown as a Nattion and need this inclusion to settle our arguments about race, gender and age disccrimination.I see a Great Nation living in a World of a golden race born now.Hope is not just a abstract concept it encompasses a lot of things.Obama's Campaign is running on Hope, not Despair and not Helplessness but of Service and Empowerment.It has been a Positive Campaign from the Start and will continue all the way to the White House.If It happens, think, can anything be worse than our country shape right now, I think not. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 4:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
My "hope" is that people are told the truth about ALL the candidates, and, especially their backing and clear policy position, by the candidates themselves. I also "hope" people can use aforethought to think through the logistics of these candidate's positions as to the real consequences of them and whether anything will really "change". God Bless. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 5:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
At some point it appears there was a "not-so-subtle" change. Politicians are supposed follow the "will" of the people. After all, they work for us. There have been Politicians that I have not agreed with on certain issues, but I still respected them. I really like Fred Thompson, and I am very sorry he is not running. I do like Ron Paul, for a number of reasons. Maybe Deb is right. Maybe a vote for someone other than McCain, or Obama really will help make a difference. Maybe it will bring about change. I think the one things we all agree on, is we need change. |
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Date: 7/9/2008 6:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Observation, funny how the idea that being proud of one's military service still makes one a baby killing war monger. |
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Date: 7/10/2008 8:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
I do have to correct myself: I said something about Iran and nuclear weapons in my first comment here. There were missles tests going on in Iran -- that the missles can reach Israel is the concern, not that those missles contain nuclear weaponry. Mea culpa. God Bless. |
Date: 7/10/2008 4:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
I haven’t read the comments, but I see the usual suspects so I can imagine the gist of what’s been said. Why don’t we apply the same logic to McCain’s friends? Specifically George W. Bush. How many people has Ayers (I am suspicious of an article that cannot even spell the man’s name correctly) killed exactly? It is a cold hard fact that George W. Bush launched a war which has resulted in the deaths of countless innocent men, women and children, not to mention thousands of US troops (more than died on 9/11 I believe). The world is a more dangerous place than it was before 9/11, anti-American sentiment (both justified and unjustified) is rife, the US is routinely engaging in and outsourcing torture, and the man with his finger on the button cannot even correctly pronounce the word “nuclear”.  |
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Date: 7/10/2008 5:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
Obama has already proven himself to be more than capable of holding the office of President. The fact that he is willing to talk without preconditions, to America’s “enemies” and the fact that this is perceived as a weakness by his opponents attests to his intelligence and leadership potential. He has proven himself economically capable, he opposed the gas tax holiday supported by both Clinton and McCain indicating that he will side with the economic experts over populist gimmickry. His positions are nuanced, and backed up by the necessary oratorical skill to avoid being successfully painted as a flip-flopper (look up the issues McCain has flip-flopped on). From a personal perspective, I have a lot of respect for the ideals of America and I would like to see a leader elected that Americans can truly be proud of and who would better embody these ideals than a war-mongering, bigoted illiterate, or his successor. |
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Date: 7/10/2008 6:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
DP-I am going to point out a few things. To begin with we didn't send any troops into the Middle East till after 9/11. To refresh your memory, we were attacked, with little (or no warning, depending on the source) and over 3,000 of innocent civilians were killed that day. Our National Security was compromised in a way it never had been before. Bush did not send troops the next day, or the day after. Whether he had faulty information, or choose to ignore add'l information, the point is, the President alone did NOT make the decision to send over troops. Per our Laws in this Country, it was taken to our House & Senate. And the U.N. That is not exactly the action(s) of a "War Monger". As to Obama's experience, exactly how & where did he get the training to hold the highest office in this Country? I like my mail-lady. She is a smart, and friendly Woman, but I wouldn't put her in charge of my local Police Force. As to mentioning McCain, is it not possible to discuss Obama without attacking McCain? It the issues I bring up about Obama cannot be addressed on their own laurels, and McCain's name must be brought up, maybe Obama doesn't have enough to stand on his own, without introducing his opponent. And for the record, I have been critical of McCain also. I have never hidden the fact that I am as unhappy with him, as I am Obama. The difference is, McCain doesn't have BBQ's, or serve on a board with anyone from the KKK, or the Aryan Nations. In other words, McCain does not associate with known (unrepentant) Terrorists during a time of War. War against (say it with me...) Terrorists. |
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Date: 7/10/2008 6:49:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I repeat-I do not want the Rev.Wrights & Louis Farrakhans having access to the White House, or the ear of the President. That goes double for former Weatherman. |
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Date: 7/10/2008 6:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
You have ref'red to our President as "war-mongering, bigoted illiterate". Illiterate? possibly, he is not the sharpest tack in the box, I grant you that. Bigoted? Do you have proof of that? I am sure Condi Rice would disagree. Or his (Hispanic) Sister-In-law. Show me a clear example of "racism" on the part of this President. I will grant you, President Bush has many faults. Racism is NOT one of them. |
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Date: 7/10/2008 6:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Even Colin Powell has never suggested such a thing. |
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Date: 7/11/2008 1:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 19613
Given your responses, I feel I must also point out a few things. The US has long interfered with politics in the Middle East,( for better or worse), and it is to this interference that Al Quaeda was ostensibly reacting. It is disingenuous to suggest that the US was somehow attacked out of the blue because of one-dimensional villains who simply “hate freedom” or whatever. I’m not saying this is what you are necessarily suggesting, but it needs to be stated nonetheless. Secondly, you say “we were attacked” (on 9/11) but you neglect to mention who you were attacked by. Most of the hijackers, as I’m sure you know were Saudi Arabian. Al Quaeda was certainly supported by the Taliban, and the invasion of Afghanistan received broad support from the international community as a consequence. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The President alone may not have made the decision to go to war, but the responsibility for such decisions is ultimately his. Invading a country which posed no threat, against the wishes of the international community, sanctioning torture and eroding human rights are all most certainly the actions of a war monger.
As regards Obama’s expericne, I’ve already made my case above as to why he would be better suited to running the US than either John McCain or Bush. ( How much foreign policy, for example, did Bush have when he moved into the White House? ) As for whether it’s possible to “discuss” Obama without “attacking” McCain, I am simply applying the same logic across the board. If this becomes an “attack” in the context of McCain’s allies, then you might want to rethink the original intent of this post. As for Obama associating with terrorists (I don’t know to whom you refer about the KKK or Aryan Nation.), I am still waiting to hear how many people Ayers killed (not that that would excuse his actions, but it might put things into context compared to a man such as G W Bush who is by any impartial definition, a terrorist of the highest order.)
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Date: 7/11/2008 1:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 19613
As for the “war-mongering, bigoted, illiterate” remark, I grant you that the last of those is something of an exaggeration. When I said bigoted, I wasn't refering to race, perhaps I should have been more specific. I was primarily thinking of his opposition to gay marriage, a much more acceptable form of bigotry for politicians on the right to effuse than racism in this day and age.
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Date: 7/11/2008 1:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Obama is in favor of civil unions for gay people. I have never heard him state that he favors "gay marriage". He must be a bigot in your line of reasoning, DP. God Bless. |
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Date: 7/11/2008 3:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
Lesser of two evils Deb. Considerably lesser. |
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Date: 7/11/2008 3:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
(All things considered) |
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Date: 7/11/2008 10:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Once again, I must say I take offense to you limiting American's choices to two. God Bless. |
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Date: 7/12/2008 5:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 19613
I’m just speaking realistically. I would very much like to see a broad spectrum of positions represented by a broad spectrum of parties in every election within and without the US. |
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Date: 7/12/2008 9:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
It's reality like yours which will keep us in the status quo, even if a different party's candidate (read: Democrat) gets elected to the presidency than the current Republican. For all the people clamoring for "change", again, I don't see too many with the fortitude to "change" anything but that. God Bless. |
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Date: 7/12/2008 12:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
…Riiiiiight. |
