Date: 2/18/2001 7:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 17213
I think the universe is infinite (never ending). I don't like all this complex stuff, gives me brain cramps =)  |
Date: 2/18/2001 7:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 20296
I think once you visit those places they then exist. it is sort of like the question "if there is noone around in the forest and a tree falls, does it make noise." it only makes noise for those who can hear it. but if NOTHING at all was around that could hear, it would be silent:)  |
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Date: 2/18/2001 7:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 27396
Whoa! this is good but i am not really intelligent enough to give an answr..lol but very good job! Makes the old brain work right... -KAMAKAZI |
Date: 2/18/2001 7:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
On earth we have nothing to compare time to except limited time..All things as we know it has a beginning and an end..I don't believe we will ever have to concern ourselves as to this "what if" because it will never happen..Space is a never ending thing..That is as hard to grasp as the idea of eternity..Rusure  |
Date: 2/18/2001 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 10030
well, i think, if you were to travel to that edge, once you reached it you could reach your arm out into that edge, but it would fold back in on itself. It would curve in (nasty thought, but makes sense) . Your body coukld not go past that edge, so it would simply fold back into where it CAN exist. Or perhaps the universe is so so that it is like a sphere. If you travel along the edge, you will eventually get back to where you started...but if you were to go across that edge, you would go to the opposite side of the universe, as if it was connected? See what i am saying? niether do i...lol  |
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Date: 2/18/2001 8:03:00 PM
read Einstein and quantum physics.....all there..Einstein did indeed answer this question..the space time continuum...time and mass are relative concepts....and change with traveling the speed of light. Past present and future all the same.....can be with traveling fast the speed of light 186,000miles per second. |
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Date: 2/18/2001 8:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 23956
there are many different universes, we just happen to be in this one because we are in the physical body, and this is a physical universe, as long as you are in the physical you will never reach the edge of the expanding universe, when you give up this physical body all things are possible, you become part of the process of creating. Love and peace Logan51... |
Date: 2/18/2001 8:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 14571
If we could travel to the edge of the universe depending on the universes shape could affect what happens. If the Universe is round, square or some shape like that, than the spaceship might act like a boat on the ocean. The ship would start out and just skim the edge of the universe without realizing it and ultimately end up back at the beginning without truly getting over the edge. If the universe doesn't have such a shape than we might get to the edge and see nothing, no atoms, no energy, nothing except our own ship.  |
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Date: 2/18/2001 8:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26708
VERY good comment whoever the anonymous reader who posted the comment on here is. I have read many of einstien's works regarding these matters, but it almost seems to invariably arise more questions. Besides, I am also an avid reader of Hawking's theories, and his ideas seem to tightly contradict that of einstien's so I'm a bit torn on many matters between them. I will do more research on the matter though, so maybe then I can present a fairly more intellegant theory here. Thanks for the comments everyone keep them comming they've been very interesting so far! |
Date: 2/18/2001 8:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 11348
When it comes to thinking about the Universe and what is beyond us.... It blows me away. It's sooo over my head but it's fascinating. I kind of think that the universe can't end, I mean there's gotta be something after it! You know? When can there ever just be nothing? I mean if you were unedjucated you might think the earth were never to end. But with what we know now it does, yet there is something huge outside of it. I think if you were to reach the end of the universe, you'd end up in something else. The universe needs to be contained in something right? This stuff is hard to think about, lol. Goood good post. :)  |
Date: 2/18/2001 8:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
The theory of space expanding has been disproven, I wish I had the links handy, I would show you. The theory of space expanding has been disproved; I wish I had the links handy, I would show you. Space does not end. What is non-existent made up of? If you went to the furthest reaches you would never know it, because it would continue to unfold because you are there....Love,  |
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Date: 2/18/2001 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
Sorry the first part repeated...I have no idea how...? |
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Date: 2/18/2001 8:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26708
Thunderhead, it has not been disproven. Many people have different theories, but just becuase there are facts given to support their beliefs, doesnt mean they are correct. There were facts given to support the world was flat, that the earth was the center of the universe, and so on. There is a quote that says "for every opinion, there will be facts found to support it". I'm sticking with the popular and what I consider to be the more sensable theory. |
Date: 2/18/2001 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 13897
how do you know its impossible? nothing is impossible...  |
Date: 2/18/2001 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 8726
that is something to ponder.. maybe it never ends.  |
Date: 2/18/2001 10:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
There is a simple answer to this problem. I think that....ah...um...ahem...never mind.  |
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Date: 2/18/2001 10:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26708
TC, LoL. |
Date: 2/18/2001 11:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 24813
Good topic - I really like thinking about things like this. We seem to use light as the basis for time and existance, but why is that necessarily correct? We just use it because it's convenient....it's what we see and what we know. Here's a really exaggerated example: Imagine you could travel at .99999999 times the speed of light today and travel a distance of 100 light-years out from earth. Now imagine you could travel faster than light speed, equivalent to 100 times faster, like through a wormhole or something, and arrive back on earth almost instantly. What would you find? One interesting (probably wrong though) possibility is if you ("you" being your soul/concience - way of thought and perception) stayed in sync with "your" original time. When you come back, would you find yourself walking into things you can't see...things from another time that "your" light (what your mind, not your body percieves) hasn't hit yet, or hit very long ago? I guess the point is, what exists/happens before light is reflected off so we can see it? Take one light "wave-point" from the sun as it heads near earth. Now follow that point's path backwards away from earth....this would be going back in time, and also forward in time, depending on the light source reference and whether it's coming or going from earth. If it's coming, is there an inherent "future" in that light wave, a knowledge of what it will reflect? Can an event happen before light is reflected off of it? Perhaps light is moving "through" time, (like up/down, looking at time-space as a flat horizontal plane) lighting up just one moment at at time for us, as our minds/concience (but not bodies) travel in the same direction as the light. All events are happening always, but our perception of existance is guided by light, giving us the illusion of time as moving, and not just relative. The universe might be expanding, but in a different way from how we picture it to be. Taking the same viewpoint mentioned above, maybe everything is expanding upward like an inverted cone with a 45 degree slope, with the speed of light being both the rise and the run of that slope. And our known/seen existance is "on" that slope. Each point has its own "cone" of existance through time, starting when light first hit that point. The seen universe as a whole is just all those cones overlapping and reflecting/warping. Does anyone get that?? (I didn't find any of this by the way...just thought it up now while typing, so this has no reference anywhere if you're wondering)  |
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Date: 2/18/2001 11:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
Welcome to USM, Einstein. |
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Date: 2/19/2001 6:22:00 AM
To understand the Universe,you have to have the understanding of it's existence.The Universe does expand,but it also contracts.It works in a pulsation motion.The nucleus of this space is the center of all gravity.Our Creator,Himself is a gravity forced personality.It is known that nothing can or does exist without God,therefor there is no existence outside the gravity forced pulsation of Our Creator.All that is outside the realm of The Creator is nothingness.If you beleive in a Creator this question is and will never be any type of reality.But it was a facinating way of thinking. |
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Date: 2/19/2001 12:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26708
To the above anonymous author, I relize your way of thinking and agree completely. It is that nothingness that I must and DO acknowledge in my submision. You see, I did mention that I relize it is nothingness outside the universe, and this is precisely why if something were to travel into this "void" it may dent all time and space by existing where and when it should not. I do believe in the creator but you must never allow questions to go unanswered and pass it off as "something because of god". In the words of einstien "science without religon is lame, but religon without science is blind". |
Date: 2/19/2001 3:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 17693
You can shorten the distance though. You can bend time and make the distance shorter so its just like stepping thru. I dont know what im talking about now. So if I got to the outsides of the universe...i wouldnt be real. I wouldnt even exist to know i dont exist...how very strange. How can you say its there though if nothing can actually be there?  |
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Date: 2/20/2001 3:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26708
Just as you can call it an infinate void of nothingness, think of it as a place holder. Nothing exists inside it, and therefore it doesnt exist, but it must be considered there since it is eventually passed and is therefore taking up space. |
Date: 2/21/2001 7:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 26803
Good question android. A thought to ponder. our universe is just one of many, they are floating like balloons in an ocean of chaos - some expanding, some contracting. Therefore, if you reach the edge, and go through, you will be in the ocean that supports all universes and may be able to visit other universes (if you can travel the ocean. As to weather it will mess with time or not, NO! just because a place doesn't exist for us yet doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. To use a very down to earth example, as your father did, North America did not exist to the civilized cultures of Europe until the 1400's but we find that it did have a past. By the way, I liked your argument about the flat earth, keep writing - questions are the fruit of life. Coenlaf  |
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Date: 2/21/2001 4:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26708
Thanks very much Coenlaf. You bring up a great point, I obviously haven't studied up on the topic enough, but it is a little hard to find time (and good resources I might add) for quantum physics when I am still being taught freshman science. LoL. Please forgive my ignorance, I hadn't remembered that there are other universes like ours existing. With that thought in mind now, every thing you have said does make perfect sense. I thought ours was the end of matter, of all cosmos and being. This has been a most educating experience. Thank you very much for enlightening me. Heh, well, like they say: "back to the drawing board!". ~Android |
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Date: 2/22/2001 6:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 26803
Android, read "Time Lines", It's a great book and very up to date with science (for a fiction novel). You should take some time from your studies to read a book for pure pleasure. talk to you soon - Coenlaf |
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Date: 2/22/2001 3:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26708
I certainly will. Thanks very much for your recommendation, I always look forward to good sci-fi novels. I'm heading over to the library right now to check it out. Thanks again. ~Android |
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Date: 2/23/2001 4:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 14554
it aint impossible, a man who would devellop his inner power so that he can become a god would have the possibility to do so, and as you say, he would be in a non existant plane, but that doesnt mean he doesnt exist, he would only leave his territory, as viking did when facing the unknown waters to find uncharted territory, what would happen would be two things, whether he travels and luckily find another universe the same as ours, or whether he gets lost in this huge static system and finally start to create a universe himself.
but one thing is sure, its possible, otherwise there would be like an invisible wall which would be scientifically contradictory, since there is no end of the universe, there is only one expanding into dark matter.
see it this way, our universe isnt the only one, its part of a higher system, as a star is to a galaxy, there is a bunch of universe in this system we live as a whole, we only dont know it cause we didnt founded another universe, but saying ours is the only one would be like saying the earth is the center of the universe (exactly like the church did) and this is quite egocentric for a human race which doesnt even know yet the roots of its existence (well not completely) anyway i hope this was an interesting theory |
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Date: 2/24/2001 1:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 26708
Good theory. I have already had to face the truths you speak of a little while back after reading some of the replies to my story. You are most probably right, to figure our universe is the only one is a bit egocentric, but after doing some further research into the topic I have concluded that we have yet to gather enough sufficent evidence of multiple universes in existence to make it official as of yet. However, you are still probably correct. ~Android |
