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| Date: 2/27/2001 3:29:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Author Only, I have been busy with real world stuff, but I've been lurking around. ... I may get knocked offline since it is really storming in DFW area right now... BUT, I'll be back if I do... *smile* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
Date: 2/27/2001 3:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
This is too confusing for me LOL i will leave this to those knowlegable about religion   |
| Date: 2/27/2001 3:36:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 *J.T. swatting at imaginary pests* Go away, scat, get outta here... *smile*... Okay, you A.O.'s are making me look bad since no one can see your replies... *sigh* ... Yes, folks, I'm just talking to myself *again* ... *bigger sigh*... Yes, that would be amenable to me if you weren't MARRIED!!! RATS!!! Why are all the GOOD ONES already taken... *sigh* ... Thanks for stopping by. May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 3:40:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Dizzy Me *I know that feeling* ... They're just common sense questions. It is a fact that the vast majority of Jews did not *and do not* recognize Jesus as the "messiah" or "Christ." ... I'm just curious how the majority of Christians can claim that everyone else is deceived, yet Christians are exempt... Seems like a simple question to me... *smile*... Thanks for stopping by... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
Date: 2/27/2001 3:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
Hi JT....The old testament Prophets did believe in the messiah.......so this really has nothing to do with the jews in the time of jesus or now..just my opinion.....be easy on me..LOL  |
Date: 2/27/2001 3:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
Simple question....... RIGHT! *rolling eyes* You do not ask any simple questions!! And the Christians bible/pastor/whatever tells them it is true so it must be!! *Big Squeezy Hug* ~MOONPRIESTESS~  |
| Date: 2/27/2001 3:56:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Sixgun, my friend *shakes hand* ... Should I post a story on Jewish beliefs? I was going to do that, but I decided to condense it to this form. ... The "messiah" predicted by Jewish prophets is an earthly, mortal King. ... The "messiah" is not a supernatural, "holy" personage, according to various Jewish rabbis... That is WHY Jews do not recognize Jesus as anything other than a charlatan magician who deceived a small group of rabble rousers in first century Jerusalem. ... Jews are not waiting for "God" they are waiting for a Jewish King to rule the world and impose Jewish law on the masses. ... Thanks for stopping by and you know I wouldn't jump up and down on YOU *like I do F.B. ... smile* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
Date: 2/27/2001 3:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
~ahem~ um Sixgun..you say the OT prophets did believe in the messiah. Well that begs two questions 1. that they did and 2. that the messiah they speak of is not some annointed future king (since Messiah just means annointed one anyway), but a saviour in the eschatological sense that Jesus is. Please demonstrate this.  |
Date: 2/27/2001 4:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 13079
Hiya MP *hugs* I bet dinners at your house when you were growing up were ....um....interesting *smile*  |
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Date: 2/27/2001 4:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
hehehehe.... to say the least Pixie, to say the least!! *hugs* ~MOONPRIESTESS~ |
| Date: 2/27/2001 4:06:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, M.P. *big SQUEEZY HUG*... Who, me? You talking to me? ... Since I am simple minded, I can do nothing other than ask simple questions... *smile*... The point of many of my posts is to demonstrate that a person's beliefs are a choice and are not necessarily supported by facts, history or logic. ... And, my motto is, "Believe what you will." ... I choose to believe in a logical God *is that an oxymoron?... smile* who makes sense without the imposition of "magic." ... *smile* Thanks for the comment... *BIG SQUEEZY HUG* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 4:08:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, K.K., *hugs* Relax, girl, relax. ... This isn't a formal debate, this is a laying around on the floor throwing peanuts at each other debate... *smile*... Thanks for the comment... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 4:11:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Pixie *hugs, secret handshake* ... *smile*... Althought I usually avoid the subject, my children HATED for me to punish them because one of my FAVORITE techniques was to LECTURE them... Man, they hated that. ... It seems that I recall one of them *glancing up at M.P.* told me that she would rather be spanked than be lectured... *sigh*... What can I say? *smile* *hugs, secret handshake* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T ... BTW: M.P. taught me everything I know that's worth knowing... smile* |
Date: 2/27/2001 4:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
Well my opinion is that the reason the Jews never accepted the Jesus is Messiah theory is because Jesus never actually lived but was created on paper by the Roman writers and of course the Jews didnt like the Romans very much at that time and with good reason.  |
Date: 2/27/2001 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
oh wow, all my friends are here, and now i'll go read the post. lol  |
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Date: 2/27/2001 4:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
my opinion is not so much decieved by satan but by their own relgiouse beliefs that the messiah was not Jesus. Many more are coming to Jesus now in this day and age. The reason that so many could not see, is that they refused to see that Jesus was the messiah there fore God gave them over to a reperbate mind to believe the lie, for now. And j.t. dont ask me why God did that, as I dont know, maybe they made Him unhappy? |
Date: 2/27/2001 4:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
1Co:1 7: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;Ro:3:3: For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Lu:13:34: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! I'M THINKING THIS LAST ONE IS WHY GOD WAS UPSET WITH HIS CHOSEN. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 4:46:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Enki, my friend, thanks for stopping by. Although the subject is still under debate *and probably always will be* most legitimate religious scholars do not doubt that a man named Jesus actually existed. ... There were many who claimed to be the "messiah." ... I believe that Constantine *Roman Emperor who imposed Christianity on Roman citizens, early 300 a.d.* collaborated with the Catholic church leaders to consolidate the various Christian beliefs. His efforts resulted in the production of a bible that supported the church he sponsored, i.e., the Catholic church. ... King James duplicated his efforts for the same reason, to consolidate his own power over his subjects by proclaiming himself God's spokesman. ... Thanks for stopping by... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
Date: 2/27/2001 4:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 18551
JUST ONCE, FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE, I WISH YOU WOULD ASK A DANG QUESTION I COULD ANSWER!!! lol, sorry i yelled. teehee, mitziss  |
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Date: 2/27/2001 4:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Yes, they were waiting for an earthly messiah, when in fact had they read there own torah they would have seen that it was not going to be one that took over and make their kingdom what they wanted it to be, it was to take over the spiriutal realm that had been taken over at the beginning of time with Adam and eve. That is when it was given over to satan. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 4:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Joh:18:36: Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 4:53:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, F.B., *hugs, indulging in my hobby*... I'm not sure what you are saying... *J.T. scratching head* ... Are you saying that the Jewish prophets did not know what they were talking about? Or, they were deceived by God? ... Just curious... *smile* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 4:56:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Mitziss, *hugs*... Thanks for stopping by... It is a very simple question ... *innocent smile, glancing up ^^^ at M.P.'s comment* ... Surely, you can answer simple questions, can't you? ... *smile* May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 4:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
no, they were not decieved by God, as the kingdom was never about coming against their enemies on earth. It has been and always was a spiritual battle. That is the same as it is today, a spiritual battle. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 4:58:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Thanks for that answer, F.B., the problem with that answer is that it does not conform to Judaism or the teachings of Jewish rabbis. ... So, are the Jewish rabbis deceived? ... *smile*... /s/ J.T. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 5:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
a:44: And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Da :45: Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.Da :14: And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.Da:18: But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."I mean its so easy to see. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 5:16:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Okay, Fact One: The Jews "wrote" the bible *"Old Testament"*; Fact Two: Judaism exists as a religion; Fact Three: Judaism recognizes "rabbis" as "authorities" on the bible; Fact Four: Rabbis do not agree with the Christian interpretation of the book "they" "wrote." Fact Five: Judaism *rabbis* teach the "messiah" is a mortal Jewish King who will impose Jewish law on the world. ... Those are all facts, F.B., and quoting bible verses will not change those facts. ... So, the only conclusion is that rabbis are deceived by someone *Satan?* ... So, IF rabbis *God's CHOSEN people* are deceived by God, WHY aren't Christians also deceived by God? ... Just curious... *smile* ... /s/ J.T. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 5:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Just lucky, I guess? |
Date: 2/27/2001 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Orthodoxy is actually made up of several different groups. It includes the modern Orthodox, who have largely integrated into modern society while maintaining observance of halakhah (Jewish Law), the Chasidim, who live separately and dress distinctively (commonly, but erroneously, referred to in the media as the "ultra-Orthodox" , and the Yeshivish Orthodox, who are neither Chasidic nor modern. The Orthodox movements are all very similar in belief, and the differences are difficult for anyone who is not Orthodox to understand. They all believe that G-d gave Moses the whole Torah at Mount Sinai. The "whole Torah" includes both the Written Torah (the first five books of the Bible) and the Oral Torah, an oral tradition interpreting and explaining the Written Torah. They believe that the Torah is true, that it has come down to us intact and unchanged. They believe that the Torah contains 613 mitzvot binding upon Jews but not upon non-Jews. This web site is written primarily from the modern Orthodox point of view. The 1990 National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS) performed by the Council of Jewish Federations found that 7% of the Jews in America identify themselves as Orthodox. Sephardic Jews have a different pronunciation of a few Hebrew vowels and one Hebrew consonant, though most Ashkenazim are adopting Sephardic pronunciation now because it is the pronunciation used in Israel. See Hebrew Alphabet. Their prayer services are somewhat different from Ashkenazic ones, and they use different melodies in their services. Sephardic Jews also have different holiday customs and different traditional foods. SEE why they are so confused? |
| Date: 2/27/2001 5:33:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 *LOL @ F.B.* ... *smile* ... That's a good answer F.B. *bigger smile*... You know, you remember a LONG TIME ago and on another board, someone told ME that I DID NOT KNOW what I was talking about *innocent smile* ... I recall asking that person to post a story called "Conversations with J.T." or something similar since I was not *and did not intend to* registered on USM. ... F.B., I maintain *and believe I have repeatedly demonstrated* that I DO know what I am talking about and did NOT become an "ex" Christian because of ignorance, anger or emotion. ... I choose to believe in a fair and just God and a universe based on common sense and logic. ... What others choose to believe is entirely between them and whomever, however, I do not believe in a magical God who arbitrarily changes the rules or otherwise confuses his "children" with contradictory, confusing words in a book. *smile*... What else you wanna debate, how about "Feminism?" *innocent smile*... /s/ J.T. *J.T. running and hiding from hordes of angry, vicious women* |
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Date: 2/27/2001 5:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Orthodoxy is actually made up of several different groups. It includes the modern Orthodox, who have largely integrated into modern society while maintaining observance of halakhah (Jewish Law), the Chasidim, who live separately and dress distinctively (commonly, but erroneously, referred to in the media as the "ultra-Orthodox", and the Yeshivish Orthodox, who are neither Chasidic nor modern. The Orthodox movements are all very similar in belief, and the differences are difficult for anyone who is not Orthodox to understand. They all believe that G-d gave Moses the whole Torah at Mount Sinai. The "whole Torah" includes both the Written Torah (the first five books of the Bible) and the Oral Torah, an oral tradition interpreting and explaining the Written Torah. They believe that the Torah is true, that it has come down to us intact and unchanged. They believe that the Torah contains 613 mitzvot binding upon Jews but not upon non-Jews. This web site is written primarily from the modern Orthodox point of view. The 1990 National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS) performed by the Council of Jewish Federations found that 7% of the Jews in America identify themselves as Orthodox. Sephardic Jews have a different pronunciation of a few Hebrew vowels and one Hebrew consonant, though most Ashkenazim are adopting Sephardic pronunciation now because it is the pronunciation used in Israel. See Hebrew Alphabet. Their prayer services are somewhat different from Ashkenazic ones, and they use different melodies in their services. Sephardic Jews also have different holiday customs and different traditional foods. SEE why they are so confused? |
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Date: 2/27/2001 5:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
~Karma stamps her foot~ you get to have all the fun, JT! LOL Thanks for letting Sixgun off the hook..I was already to duke it out! hahahaha...Love, |
| Date: 2/27/2001 5:38:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Gee, F.B., I already posted a story about the confusion of bible based religions, including Judaism, Christinaity and Islam. It is clear to me that the author of the bible is the author of lies, deceit and confusion. ... So, exactly who is that again? *smile* /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 5:40:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, K.K., actually all of these "religion" posts are directed at F.B. ... SHE CHALLENGED me to demonstrate why I am an "ex" Christian a LONG TIME AGO. ... See comment above ^^^ ... Sixgun is cool, I can't let people pick on my friend, I may want to borrow his car or some money or something from him someday... *smile* /s/ J.T. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 5:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Rabbi A rabbi is not a priest, neither in the Jewish sense of the term nor in the Christian sense of the term. In the Christian sense of the term, a priest is a person with special authority to perform certain sacred rituals. A rabbi, on the other hand, has no more authority to perform rituals than any other adult male member of the Jewish community. In the Jewish sense of the term, a priest (kohein) is a descendant of Aaron, charged with performing various rites in the Temple in connection with religious rituals and sacrifices. Although a kohein can be a rabbi, a rabbi is not required to be a kohein. A rabbi is simply a teacher, a person sufficiently educated in halakhah (Jewish law) and tradition to instruct the community and to answer questions and resolve disputes regarding halakhah. When a person has completed the necessary course of study, he is given a written document known as a semikhah, which confirms his authority to make such decisions. Moshiach Lit. annointed. A man who will be chosen by G-d to put an end to all evil in the world, rebuild the Temple, bring the exiles back to Israel and usher in the world to come. It is better to use the Hebrew term "moshiach" when speaking of the Jewish messiah, because the Jewish concept is very different from the Christian one. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 5:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
well I'm trying to get out of the new testament for you, and into what the jewish people believe. Just trying to show ya. Your so thoughtfull j>t to remember and HOLD that memory from such a long time ago. Your so sweet to keep on and on and on and on answering my questions and challenges. lol. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 5:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
However, traditional Judaism maintains that the messianic idea has always been a part of Judaism. The moshiach is not mentioned explicitly in the Torah, because the Torah was written in terms that all people could understand, and the abstract concept of a distant, spiritual, future reward was beyond the comprehension of some people. However, the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (achareet ha-yameem), which is the time of the moshiach; thus, the concept of moshiach was known in the most ancient times. The term "moshiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The moshiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days. The Moshiach The moshiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The moshiach is often referred to as "moshiach ben David" (moshiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments. (Isaiah 11 -5) He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being. Before the time of the moshiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16) The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23  ; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15). SEE THEY BELIEVE that he will be a great military leader who will win battles for israel and that is being done, just not in the flesh, in the spiritual, They cant even see up above in this statement that he will come from the seed of David, just as Jesus already did. They cant see that He already came in the flesh. This is what happens when one looks at the fleshly side and worldly side of God and not the spiritual side. They need to understand that God is spirit. Spirit is the natural realm, not the flesh. Spirit goes on for eternity, not the flesh. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 5:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
Well I have it on good authority that Sixgun LIKES to debate with me...ask him sometime! |
| Date: 2/27/2001 5:55:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Yes, but they sinned against God and became anathema to him until they recognize... Wait a minute... Hmm... F.B., if you are going to make my argument for me then I will just sit back and watch... *smile* ... Would you like for me to argue the other side for awhile? I can do that just as well... *bigger smile*... /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 5:57:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Yes, K.K., but he asked me to be easy on him, so I guess he didn't want to get into a brass knuckled brawl this evening... *smile*... /s/ J.T. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 6:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
If you ever want to borrow anything JT...Just ask....I didnt say you could have it.....but you can ask anyway...LOL |
| Date: 2/27/2001 6:13:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 BTW, F.B., I think it is fair to use Orthodox Judaism as the reference point since that is the only group that has existed since the origination of Judaism. ... Comparing other forms of Judaism to the "authors" of the bible is similar to comparing the teachings of David Koresh *and others* with fundamentalist Christianity. ... Their foundation may be the same, but their teachings are vastly different. *smile* /s/ J.T. *DISCLAIMER: Even "Orthodox" Judaism has changed over the years.* |
| Date: 2/27/2001 6:18:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 *LOL @ Sixgun* ... In my family, the word "borrow" is synonymous with the word "steal." ... *smile* ... /s/ J.T. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
lol, I love your idea of borrow. And yes, J>t. would you argue the other side for awhile? I'm getting my self confused. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 6:30:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 And to those of you who have A.D.D. and did not read what F.B. posted, here is what she said: THE MILITARY WILL IMPOSE A JEWISH THEOCRACY *religious dictatorship* ON ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. ... THAT is the GOAL of Judaism and it has NOTHING to do with "salvation" through giving your soul to anyone. *smile* /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 6:37:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 See, F.B., it is like this. The Jews began to fall away from God and it displeased him *actually God is a woman... smile*. Since they did not keep the spirit of the law of Moses, God removed his blessings from them, for their hearts were hardened by their wicked ways. ... God spoke to them through his Son, Jesus, and attempted to bring them back to the path of righteousness, under his grace and mercy. ... But, they *the Jews* rejected him, so God allowed the Gentiles to rule over the Jews for a time. Until the Jews return to the spirit of God, as he intended from the beginning, they are cursed above all others, for they WERE the "chosen" people. ... When God returns in all his glory, THEN, and only then will their hard hearts understand their "sin" and they will weep and gnash their teeth at their sin and unrighteousness. ... Only those with the true spirit of God, his mercy, goodness and forgiveness can remove themselves from the cares and concerns of the world and understand the wisdom that God gives to all of us. ... The end is near, woe is me, the end is near... *smile* /s/ J.T. ... *how's that for an impromptu sermon?* |
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Date: 2/27/2001 6:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
KK...who in the world told you I liked to debate with you?....there......there right, I guess..LOL...I like to debate with everyone,you included.... |
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Date: 2/27/2001 7:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
By George I think hes got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and sixgun, I must fess up, I'm the one that told karma. You can kill me now or kill me later. How about just the pain part? innocent smile. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 8:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
You did huh...Well FB you know you shouldnt go aroung telling my secrets...I guess you and KK will have to come with me...~smile~.... |
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Date: 2/27/2001 8:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
Im going to take you to JT and let him take care of this....where ya at JT? |
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Date: 2/27/2001 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
Oh no! Please Sixgun, don't take me to JT ~whispers~ I hear he doesn't bathe and I have a very sensitive nose. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 8:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Oh sixgun, have mercy on me, I hear his pizza is under the couch!!!!!! |
| Date: 2/27/2001 9:53:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Gang, My apologies, but this really important matter came up that i had to take care of... Now, K.K., I may stink, but would you like to borrow a steak? Maybe then that yappy noisemaker you call your protection will actually play with you... Well, since you ladies are gossiping, I think the appropriate course of action is for K.K. to watch Benny Hinn for the next two hours and you, F.B., you have to *hmm.. what can you do to a masochist???* ... okay, F.B., you sit with K.K. and explain what Benny Hinn REALLY means. *since he obviously doesn't know*... How's that, Sixgun? Is that okay, or do you want to appeal? *NO, gossipy women have no right to appeal* *smile, checking hidden pizza stash* ... /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 10:08:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, A.O., *smile*... Actually, this post is JUST FOR YOU!!! ... *bigger smile*... I had not realized that I hadn't posted anything lately until I received the message earlier... Been very busy lately, but I always have time for my USM family and friends... *smile*... Thanks for stopping by and the comments... *smile*... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
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Date: 2/27/2001 10:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Hey!!! I was all geared up for the machochist thing, now you have just ruined my day!!!!! See what ya did now sixguns????????????? |
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Date: 2/27/2001 10:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
Watch benny hinn....oh.JT...you are a mean one...yep..thats good |
| Date: 2/27/2001 11:03:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 F.B., sit still and explain Benny Hinn to K.K., otherwise, I will have to come up with something else, and it's not easy punishing a masochist. *smile* /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/27/2001 11:08:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 It was true inspiration, Sixgun... *smile* /s/ J.T. *can you IMAGINE actually watching that for two hours straight? Man, that would push me over the edge... of course, I'm not too far away as it is... *smile** |
Date: 2/27/2001 11:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
I have a new name for you J.T. "Master of Conundrums" Good question. I won't even go there. :-) Peace,  |
| Date: 2/28/2001 12:01:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Osiris, my friend, *smile*... Yes, we used to get those out of machines at the service station. They used to cost a quarter, back when a dollar was worth 75 cents... *smile* ... BTW: Is that similar to being a "Master Debater?" *smile* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. *AND, NO, I don't have anything better to do with my time than think up obnoxious questions that cannot be answered... smile* |
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Date: 2/28/2001 12:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
alright, I'll do the benny hinn thing!!! personally I like him so it wont hurt my feel bads. I dont like alot of stuff he teaches but I like other stuff. Osiris your so funny!!! J.t.honey You are right close to the edge so becarefull, you might end up like me. |
| Date: 2/28/2001 10:41:00 AM From Authorid: 28866 FIRST, YOU GOT SOMETHING WRONG! Sorry to tell you, but you got wrong part regarding Muslims. Muslims do recognize Jesus Christ as messiah, and they call him Isaa. I am Muslim, and therefore I can tell you that. Just like other religous book, and the Bible itself, Koran has some contradictions, and the part of it I myself blame on the fact that at the time the Koran was reveal to the Prophet Mohammed, he memorized it, and his first followers memorized it. So Koran was written much later, based on the memorized verses of people. While many of us would find the truth of Gods word in the Koran, there are some contradictions like verses where it states that one should hate Jews, but I take it as something that was added to Koran, regarding the situations that developed over there during the historical times. As of Jewish religion, I do not know. Could it be that those who wrote their religious book, felt too strong of Jewishness in them, that they felt betrayed by Jesus who was once Jew himself, and therefore do not recognize him. I do not know. A Jewish person may answer this question better. Now, there are thousands of Muslims around the world, and maybe many of them would not agree with what I had to say, but I know one true fact: THEY WOULD AGREE 100% THAT JESUS WAS ONE OF GOD'S PROPHETS. |
| Date: 2/28/2001 2:08:00 PM Oh, hi, JT, *hugs*...at it again, are you? *smile* I'm not even going there... Sorry, but I just don't have the time... *smile~hugs* Tammy #4739 |
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Date: 2/28/2001 9:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
J.T, some people have waaay too much time on their hands and for that I'm TRULY GRATEFUL :-) |
| Date: 2/28/2001 9:51:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, 28866, *welcome to USM...smile... please sign your comments so we know what to call you*... The issue of this debate is whether or not Jewish prophets were deceived by Satan. ... Muslims, Christians and Jews do NOT agree on what was prophecied by them. *early Jewish prophets* ... The proof of that is the FACT that those religions exist and needs no further support. ... Since three different religions *including Islam* ALL claim that they were "prophesied" by early Jewish prophets, which one is deceived, who deceived them, and by what power did the remaining religion prevent this deception? ... Just wondering... *smile*... Thanks for stopping by, and once again, welcome to USM... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
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Date: 3/1/2001 12:49:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 18737
Hiya, Gang, sorry, but my car broke down over in the prayer section of town, man, those people are ROWDY!!! ... *smile* ... F.B. just don't push, okay? ... Tammy, *hugs* I know you've been busy, thanks for stopping by... Thanks, Osiris *nod towards insightful, wise friend* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 3/1/2001 6:24:00 AM From Authorid: 28866 Hi again. Well it is an interresting debate. What I think is that God was trying so many times to make us realize the right thing. Have you noticed that there are contradictory and even hateful things in the religious books? It could be the Satan's followers did their thing. I do not thing Judaism or any religion is wrong. What I think is that all religions is really one, only God tried to make us realize that many times, since every time He sent His word, someone added or changed things to it. The fact that all those religions we are talking about come to one the same conclusion: ONLY ONE GOD, I believe that is the evidence, that He wanted us to see that only one religion should exist, and with that all those religions combined in one. After Mohammed I think He gave up, because Koran itself says that "In the future Muslim world will be ruled by wrong leaders and those who will hide behind the religion." The satanists might have forgot that sentence or either left it as a way to cover it up. So many people hide behind the religion and God it is unbelievable! The point in believing in OUR God is just be us. Forget what anyone tells us,b ecause he is within us. That feeling we get whenever we are sad, that relaxation deep in our heart which tells us everything is going to be ok is Him. No one can make me believe otherwise. So many times, we reach elsewhere to look for answers, when He is within us. That is why he can hear and know our thoughts, and can know our inner feelings. That is why He is all knowing. Now, I am Muslim, and yes maybe I would be executed if I were in Iraq lets say for what I just said, but what I really mean is that God has us attached to him by our souls, and whenever he needs us and wheneve we need him, in one second even faster he is there. In fact He is always with us! I remember, one exercise, similar to yoga, that I tried. And it talked about God head. And it said, close your eyes and look into the Godhead. I did not realized that at the moment, I thought it was stupid. But somehow reflecting on it, I think it is right. We all say, "the answers are within." If we would to stop and think about it they really are. Ok I am blabbing I guess. lol. Ok, I really LOVE THIS debate. Ok gott to go, see ya guys. Luv You all! |
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Date: 3/1/2001 11:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Push , push, |
Date: 3/2/2001 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
The Muslims, according to my study of them, do accept Jesus as a prophet, but not as the Son of God. They are expecting Him to return, however, with their "inman" or holy man, who is not Mohammed to my understanding. The Jewish people do not accept Jesus as the Son of God and are still waiting for their Messiah. The Muslims, in my opinion, are the closest thing on earth to God's true people, even more so than the Christians who are mostly following the teachings of the Catholic Church which is very unscriptural in a lot of their doctrine. As far as the Jews being God's chosen people, this is a huge misconception. The Jews only represent two of the twelve tribes of Israel, being Judah and Benjamin, who merged together at some point. The other ten tribes were scattered around the globe and are represented through Christians, in my opinion. The Muslims claim their lineage comes from Ismael, the son of Abraham's wife, Sarah's, handmaiden Haggar, who was exiled with Ismael because of Sarah's jealousy. Jesus is the final blood sacrifice for sin and this is why the Muslims and Jews continue the practice of sacrifice of animals for atonement of sin. But in the end, I, as a Christian, believe that although these groups you refer to, may indeed, be in deception to some degree, are basically worshipping the same God as I do, and one day will acknowledge Jesus as God's Son and the Saviour of mankind. I feel all other religions are worshipping Lucifer through his many faces. One god is not as good as another, in my humble opinion. By the way, J.T., thanks for the thought provoking posts. You truly are a gentleman in the finest sense of the word.  |
| Date: 3/5/2001 6:10:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, 28866, Thanks for the comments. I am a "Deist" in that I follow no religion, teachings of men nor do I believe that God chooses people to speak for him to the entire world. ... IF I were going to follow a bible based religion, it would be Islam. My experience with the Moslem people in Saudi Arabia convinced me that Moslems attempt to follow the teachings of Jesus *the bible* moreso than "Christians." ... That is just my opinion with no evidence to support it. ... I believe in spirituality and wisdom through prayer or meditation. ... Thanks for stopping by. Salamalekam... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 3/5/2001 6:17:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, Freegirl, thanks for stopping by and your comments. ... See comments to 28866 ^^^ so I don't repeat myself. ... The reference to God's "chosen" people was the general belief that the Jews were chosen to bring God's message to the world, regardless whether they are in one group or dispersed throughout the world. I do not share that belief, although I do believe there is one God over the earth. ... Regardless what people choose to profess with their mouths, God is still God and He really doesn't care what people choose to believe. "Ego" is not "godly" and anyone who portrays God as egotistical is seriously misguided, in my opinion *IMO*. ... *blush* ... Thanks for the compliment. I attempt to treat others as I would have them treat me. *although sometimes I fail in that goal... sigh* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 3/5/2001 6:19:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 18737 STOP, F.B., STOP!!!! AAAARRRGGGGGGGHHH!!!! *J.T. slips over the edge into the darkness of insanity* ... SEE??? I TOLD you to STOP pushing!!! ... *smile* ... May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
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